The Subtle Linguistics of Polite White Supremacy — Medium

[DillaTUDE]

I never once said anything about innocent whites. You're either a troll, a government agent, or a complete fukking moron.

So why did you bring Italian's being lynched then if you weren't trying to say "anything about innocent whites"?

Corda e Sapone: how the Italians were lynched in the USA


"It has long been known in the historical documents of the period that rather than being perceived as “white,” Italian immigrants in fact were perceived in the South as enemies of the racist Jim Crow laws. The literature on Sicilians’ widely known resistance to the Jim Crow laws goes back to the 1890s in an article published in the popular Harper’s Magazine. The problem of lynchings became so widespread at the time that a law professor, after the lynching of two Italian immigrants October of 1914 and June of 1915 in Illinois, published an article in the Yale Law Review in which he urged the federal government to override states’ rights and pass federal legislation allowing the federal government to prosecute the perpetrators of the lynchings.

Following the New Orleans 1891 lynchings, in 1896 three more Italian immigrants were taken from the prison in Hahnville, Louisiana, and lynched. Three years after that event, in another of the largest lynchings in the South, five more Sicilian immigrants were lynched in 1899 in Tallulah, Louisiana. The towns’ growing animosity towards two Sicilian store owners was the basis for the killings. Over a period of months, the Sicilian store owners had offended the towns’ racists by refusing to wait on white people before their black customers.

In the wake of the Tallulah lynchings, in a Harper’s Magazine article entitled “Tallulah’s Shame,” the author wrote that “When the Italians first came into Madison, a few years ago, they were a puzzle to the white people of that parish. Like the bat, they were difficult to classify, and this is more difficult because they dealt mainly with the negroes, and associated with them nearly on terms of equality. They could therefore hardly be classed as ‘white men,’ yet they were certainly not negroes. Just how to treat them was a difficult problem. It has finally been settled. They are to get the justice awarded a negro in Madison who assaults, or shoots at, or kills a white man—lynching; not a trial.” The journalist concludes by writing that the dominant white population in Madison is simply not willing to “admit the Italian to their ranks.” This article was unique at the time in the sympathy it expressed for the Italian immigrants."

By all means tell me how aware you are again.

@Beegio

@ridedolo

When Italian immigrants were 'the other' - CNN.com

"There were a number of things that surprised me in my initial research. I knew something about our nation's early antipathy toward Catholics and Italians, but I had not fully appreciated the depth of that antagonism. For example, the largest mass lynching in U.S. history took place in New Orleans in 1891 — and it wasn't African-Americans who were lynched, as many of us might assume. It was Italian-Americans."

 

[Enzo]

Dude my family is Italian off the boat in the early 1900s, they've never owned a slave and marked black on census forms until the mid 1900s in the US. My family had no part in slavery in the US, they did face the Barbary slave trade though that took place in North Africa and subject over a million white Europeans to slavery. But you're right, whites and their ancestors who had no part in the Transatlantic slave trade are all evil.

Bro, respect to you and yours for taking the time to understand. I hope you see these responses to you not as condemnations of who you are personally but as individual accounts of trauma brought on by a system which you indirectly benefit from today.

Let's address a couple of things...

Italy... As an Ethiopian, I have a particular affinity for Italians...


As I recall, during the late 1800's, early 1900's, Italy was trying to claim its piece of the pie in East Africa and was so shamed by losing the Battle of Adwa that not only did they rewrite history to categorize Ethiopians as white (since no black could ever defeat a caucasian), Mussolini's rise to power was basically based on this premise similar to how Trump is galvanizing people today. In fact, Italy occupied Ethiopia during WW2.....

You know how Black people felt about it... They weren't too happy about it..

But guess what.... they rode for us..so much that they literally went to war for us.. see for example the Brown Condor John Robinson

African-American Participation in the Italo-Ethiopian War, Blog Post #4

http://crawl.prod.proquest.com.s3.a...124459&Signature=UcJUBCS5zEGolhHROVAnjdEkVys=


so let's talk about Italy as a whole and not just their rank in American White Supremacy..... because for real, for real, the Italians and the Irish and Polish may have been competing for last place but you're still playing Division 1...

Like I said elsewhere, similar things may be said about Ethiopian tribes.. but nowhere near on the same global scale.

 

[Lifer11]

you keep saying "manipulated" as if blacks arent actual victims of this crooked ass system. cacs are free to fight the gov on their own, the fukk do ya'll need black people for? you idiots are so blinded by your hatred of blacks you neglected the wide spread mental illness, pedophilia, sexual assault and epidemic level drug abuse in white community. whites commit the most crime in this country. worry about your own issues and we'll do the same.

if you want to combat racism speak to your fellow cacs about it... dont come to black people preaching this manipulative bullshyt. i thought you were leaving this site. why dont u bounce already.

I don't think I said "manipulate" one other time in this thread. The rest of your post isn't worth addressing, and unfortunately I've long since entered the "a wise man told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who" territory.

 

[#1 pick]

"When their white customers demanded that they be waited on first ahead of their black customers, the Sicilian store owners told them that they had to wait their turn behind their black customers who had entered the store before them. They and three other Sicilians paid the highest price for their resistance to the Jim Crow laws: they were lynched along with three other Sicilians. The Louisiana lynchings terrorized all other Italians in the region for years."

They didn't sympathize with whites either. They were lynched for refusing to adhere to Jim Crow laws.

They did benefit from the Roosevelt and the Nixon laws. Completely benefited and Italy raised hell when those Italians were hung. Once again, I am all up on the Italians. Also Blacks never had a chance to turn their crime into wealth like the Jews, Irish, Germans, Italians and Assyrians did.

Once again, this ain't what you want kid.

 

[Lifer11]

So why did you bring Italian's being lynched then if you weren't trying to say "anything about innocent whites"?

Cause u were saying "my people" never said anything during 400 years of slavery, when "my people" weren't even in this country until the late 1800s when "my people" were subjected to lynchings and Jim Crow laws. Also AGAIN to show that not all white people are racist.

 

[ridedolo]

I don't think I said "manipulate" one other time in this thread. The rest of your post isn't worth addressing, and unfortunately I've long since entered the "a wise man told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who" territory.

you wont address it because you cant deny or deflect from it.

 

[#1 pick]

Bro, respect to you and yours for taking the time to understand. I hope you see these responses to you not as condemnations of who you are personally but as individual accounts of trauma brought on by a system which you indirectly benefit from today.

Let's address a couple of things...

Italy... As an Ethiopian, I have a particular affinity for Italians...


As I recall, during the late 1800's, early 1900's, Italy was trying to claim its piece of the pie in East Africa and was so shamed by losing the Battle of Adwa that not only did they rewrite history to categorize Ethiopians as white (since no black could ever defeat a caucasian), Mussolini's rise to power was basically based on this premise similar to how Trump is galvanizing people today. In fact, Italy occupied Ethiopia during WW2.....

You know how Black people felt about it... They weren't too happy about it..

But guess what.... they rode for us..so much that they literally went to war for us.. see for example the Brown Condor John Robinson

African-American Participation in the Italo-Ethiopian War, Blog Post #4

http://crawl.prod.proquest.com.s3.amazonaws.com/fpcache/fa4616249edc08f7199d193906460efb.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF7V7KNV2KKY2NUQ&Expires=1469124459&Signature=UcJUBCS5zEGolhHROVAnjdEkVys=


so let's talk about Italy as a whole and not just their rank in American White Supremacy..... because for real, for real, the Italians and the Irish and Polish may have been competing for last place but you're still playing Division 1...

Like I said elsewhere, similar things may be said about Ethiopian tribes.. but nowhere near on the same global scale.

He's a white supremacist breh, he's not even that knowledgeable. He just can get over on the Blacks who don't know their history as well as the enemy true history. He's textbook. As soon as he made that first white supremacist talking point, I knew he was food.

 

[Lifer11]

They did benefit from the Roosevelt and the Nixon laws. Completely benefited and Italy raised hell when those Italians were hung. Once again, I am all up on the Italians. Also Blacks never had a chance to turn their crime into wealth like the Jews, Irish, Germans, Italians and Assyrians did.

Once again, this ain't what you want kid.

Italians benefitted later I didn't deny that, I was pointing out how and why "my people" didn't say anything during 400 years of slavery. Because they LITERALLY weren't here, meaning my family wasn't here until the late 1800s, and when they got here Italians were subjected to lynchings and Jim Crow laws.

Also I don't know what Roosevelt and Nixon laws you're talking about.

 

[#1 pick]

Italians benefitted later I didn't deny that, I was pointing out how and why "my people" didn't say anything during 400 years of slavery. Because they LITERALLY weren't here, meaning my family wasn't here until the late 1800s, and when they got here Italians were subjected to lynchings and Jim Crow laws.

Also I don't know what Roosevelt and Nixon laws you're talking about.

If the Italians benefited then shut the hell up. That's the problem, if you want to make a separate thread on the Italians, cool but don't come in this thread, troll and think this is it. All you doing is what the thread is all about anyway.

 

[Lifer11]

Bro, respect to you and yours for taking the time to understand. I hope you see these responses to you not as condemnations of who you are personally but as individual accounts of trauma brought on by a system which you indirectly benefit from today.

Let's address a couple of things...

Italy... As an Ethiopian, I have a particular affinity for Italians...


As I recall, during the late 1800's, early 1900's, Italy was trying to claim its piece of the pie in East Africa and was so shamed by losing the Battle of Adwa that not only did they rewrite history to categorize Ethiopians as white (since no black could ever defeat a caucasian), Mussolini's rise to power was basically based on this premise similar to how Trump is galvanizing people today. In fact, Italy occupied Ethiopia during WW2.....

You know how Black people felt about it... They weren't too happy about it..

But guess what.... they rode for us..so much that they literally went to war for us.. see for example the Brown Condor John Robinson

African-American Participation in the Italo-Ethiopian War, Blog Post #4

http://crawl.prod.proquest.com.s3.amazonaws.com/fpcache/fa4616249edc08f7199d193906460efb.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF7V7KNV2KKY2NUQ&Expires=1469124459&Signature=UcJUBCS5zEGolhHROVAnjdEkVys=


so let's talk about Italy as a whole and not just their rank in American White Supremacy..... because for real, for real, the Italians and the Irish and Polish may have been competing for last place but you're still playing Division 1...

Like I said elsewhere, similar things may be said about Ethiopian tribes.. but nowhere near on the same global scale.

I don't even indirectly benefit from it, I directly benefit from it, but like I said I largely boycott the system because I'm not going to contribute to a system that fukks so many over. I'm not gona get into my self-destructive habits, but suffice it to say I haven't allowed myself to blindly accept what my white privilege could do for me in this country because I fukking hate what this government stands for both domestically and abroad. And I know that is largely due to white people and almost exclusively due to white supremacy.

 

[Lifer11]

If the Italians benefited then shut the hell up. That's the problem, if you want to make a separate thread on the Italians, cool but don't come in this thread, troll and think this is it. All you doing is what the thread is all about anyway.

By trying to prove not all whites are racist and that we have a shared interest in taking down a corrupt and oppressive government, I'm trolling and proving white supremacy?

I never denied the white supremacist agenda, but I don't think what I'm doing is an example of it.

 

[#1 pick]

By trying to prove not all whites are racist and that we have a shared interest in taking down a corrupt and oppressive government, I'm trolling and proving white supremacy?

I never denied white supremacy, but I don't think what I'm doing is an example of it.

We don't need you in here period is the point you don't get. You simply aren't welcomed

 

[Ms.CuriousCat]

"Help, my house is on fire."

"All houses matter.

wasn't expecting that

 

[DillaTUDE]

By trying to prove not all whites are racist and that we have a shared interest in taking down a corrupt and oppressive government, I'm trolling and proving white supremacy?

I never denied the white supremacist agenda, but I don't think what I'm doing is an example of it.

We have no "shared interest in taking down a corrupt and oppressive government" because Italians (like most white people) are not oppressed by this white supremacist system on the scale that blacks are.

It's one of the main reasons why the upholders/enforcers of white supremacy, the police force, are mainly comprised of Italian Americans, especially in the East Coast.

You're using the played out "it's not about race, it's about class" white supremacist talking point.

 

[Taharqa]

It's amazing, when presented with facts and someone who supports your cause you'd rather attack and marginalize due to race, then claims blacks can't be racist.