(The suicide squad flop) "Sequels To Will Smith Movies Don't Work Without Will Smith"

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Previously In passing I made the comment that if "The Suicide Squad" flops it's going to be an official pattern.

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Sequels To Will Smith Movies Don't Work Without Will Smith
While the age of the movie star that dominates the box office based on their name alone has mostly gone away, Will Smith is one of the last remaining A-list names that can draw a crowd just by being part of the cast, especially when he's the lead or co-lead. He has that in common with Tom Cruise, Dwayne Johnson, Tom Hanks, Leonardo DiCaprio, and a few others. Like fellow mega-star Jim Carrey, Smith also has a tendency to not return for sequels to his hits, providing a clear example of just how much interest tends to drop off without him.

Independence Day: Resurgence brought back every major player involved with the original movie other than Smith, and got awful reviews and sub-par financial returns. Men in Black: International replaced Smith and Tommy Lee Jones with the duo of Chris Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson, then coming off their popular collaboration in Thor: Ragnarok. Again, awful reviews and audience apathy followed. In other words, it can't be discounted just how big a factor Smith is when it comes to turning movies with potentially so-so scripts into blockbuster hits.

How Much Did No Deadshot Hurt The Suicide Squad's Box Office?

To be sure, The Suicide Squad's box office disappointment can by no means be solely attributed to the absence of Will Smith as Deadshot. The biggest elephant stomping all over the room is no doubt the sadly ongoing coronavirus pandemic, which has kept the financial ceiling of even the biggest movies much, much lower than pre-2020. Still, every industry projection going into the opening weekend of James Gunn's Suicide Squad sequel-reboot-remake (it's arguably all three) estimated a domestic opening take of $30 million. Instead, it earned only $25 million, far from an insignificant drop.

While Idris Elba is an actor that's equally as talented as Smith, his addition to the cast just didn't equate to an equivalent swap in the box office department. Elba is a popular A-lister, and a very respected actor, but his filmography doesn't showcase a track record of big grosses for his projects. That's a shame, as many believe Elba to have delivered a better performance as Bloodsport than Smith did as Deadshot, and Bloodsport's The Suicide Squad story to be an overall better one when compared to Deadshot's. At the end of the day, though, audiences still love seeing Will Smith.

- Will Smith Magic: How No Deadshot Hurt The Suicide Squad's Box Office Chances














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Personal take on this new movie Suicide Squad movie

"The Suicide Squad" is a great looking meh of a movie.:francis:
  1. The whole Harley/dictator romance was illogical and came out of nowhere. Specifically they did a poor job denoting the two armies in the forest so the whole time I was thinking how in hell did the dictator know the rebels captured Harley. I had to kinda piece it together after the fact
  2. If king shark, rats, and Harley with a javelin can pierce & take chunks out of Starro then it should've died after troops opened fire with rifles.
  3. The whole hitting Amanda Waller in the head with a golf club and living to tell the tale was nonsense. (especially considering the events of the first movie)
  4. I fukking hate "marvel humor" I knew I was in for a ruff ride when they were placing office bets on who would die. The above golf club added to it and the stupid Polkadot Mans mother gag sealed the deal.

This movie could tank for all I care....

That said I can appreciate that it does look great, is the most "comic booky" of comic book movies released yet, and has a very distinct tone/look to it. He really made it his own thing I.E. other than the "marvel humor" it doesn't really look like much anything else.
 
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All those movies suck. That's why they end up failing. End.

MIB international was terrible.

Independence day was god awful.

Suicide squad 2 was mediocre, had no marketing, was seen as the sequel of a shyt movie and the movie was streaming for free on hbo max.

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I tried watching MIB International 2-3 times and just couldn't be bothered to finish it.
Don't have anything particularly bad to say about it. I just either fell asleep or started doing something else.
I did watch the other two though.
 

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All those movies suck. That's why they end up failing. End.

MIB international was terrible.

Independence day was god awful.

Suicide squad 2 was mediocre, had no marketing, was seen as the sequel of a shyt movie and the movie was streaming for free on hbo max.

Nah. MIB 2 and 3 weren't considered that great other but they still did numbers because Will Smith was in them.

The reality is that Will Smith is one of the few box office draws left in Hollywood. Him. DiCaprio as well (The Revenant wouldn't have done $500 million without him). And Tom Cruise.
 

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Well this new Suicide Squad dropped day and date on streaming. It's not a fair comparison. I thought it was a better movie, definitely better direction. The one with Will was a legit bad movie, the new one isnt, its actually worth a rewatch for the humor.
 
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Personal take on this new movie Suicide Squad movie

"The Suicide Squad" is a great looking meh of a movie.:francis:
  1. The whole Harley/dictator romance was illogical and came out of nowhere. Specifically they did a poor job denoting the two armies in the forest so the whole time I was thinking how in hell did the dictator know the rebels captured Harley. I had to kinda piece it together after the fact
  2. If king shark, rats, and Harley with a javelin can pierce & take chunks out of Starro then it should've died after troops opened fire with rifles.
  3. The whole hitting Amanda Waller in the head with a golf club and living to tell the tale was nonsense. (especially considering the events of the first movie)
  4. I fukking hate "marvel humor" I knew I was in for a ruff ride when they were placing office bets on who would die. The above golf club added to it and the stupid Polkadot Mans mother gag sealed the deal.

This movie could tank for all I care....

That said I can appreciate that it does look great, is the most "comic booky" of comic book movies released yet, and has a very distinct tone/look to it. He really made it his own thing I.E. other than the "marvel humor" it doesn't really look like much anything else.
 
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