The U.S. Army might as well delete this tweet. It ain’t going how they hoped :snoop:

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My first general order is to get these benefits.
Second general order is to protect the bag at all cost.
Third general order is to wear rubba over seas in thirdworld countries near ports.
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Eh, you're a squid breh? :ohhh:
 

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:picard: shyt some of these stories is just...:dwillhuh: The ugly side of war is no joke...

What pisses me off is that these cacs in charge just ignore it year after year war after, war like these wars are not detrimental to human life???:why: If Iran turns into WW3 I hope all the cacs like Bolton get what they deserve first and foremost...

It upsets me so much. They talk about X people dying, but people the deaths there are SO many people who are disable and SO many who end up with mental illness and SO many who end up with their families breaking up because of long times away or people changing from war experiences or all the other shyt that goes along with it. It straight ruins so many lives.



:manny: This life ain't for every body. Some can't handle it. The same people complaining or having issues could of possibly had issues anyway. Also I really dislike how people think PTSD has to be service related. A lot of us from the Hoods already had signs and symptoms of PTSD from friends and family members being shot or being shot at or raped or abused or whatever you may have...So I can't blame the military for these issues...

It also took me 17 years to realize this i would of told you otherwise at 3 years in. And this comes from reflection and time spent in combat, on staff in combat, planning for combat, training for combat, recruiting others, training others, figuring out what training others needed, and now advising.

Sadly some of us are more likely to have a traumatic or bad experiences right in their home town. Some people just aren't physically or mentally tough and some just lack empathy or a social conscious.

Ask yourself have you lost friends, seen a tragedy, been involved in a tragedy, caused the tragedy. Just sit back and reflect.
Breh, you're talking like the statistics don't show otherwise. Homelessness, suicide, murder, divorce, mental illness, depression, PTSD...it's ALL higher among veterans than in the general population.

More PTSD among homeless vets

U.S. Mass Shooters Are Disproportionately Veterans - World Beyond War . . .

Veteran's View - Combat Vets Much More Likely to Divorce, Separate

Veterans die by suicide at greater rates, VA finds

The Fort Carson Murder Spree – Rolling Stone
In the six years since combat operations began in Iraq, Fort Carson — the country’s third-largest Army base, with 22,000 active soldiers on duty — has become its own kind of killing field. Before Kevin Shields was gunned down, at least three other Iraq War veterans from the base had been arrested for murder, and a fourth had committed suicide after killing his wife. Since then, at least five more GIs at Fort Carson have been arrested in connection with murders, attempted murders or manslaughter. All told, the military acknowledged this summer, 14 soldiers from the base have been charged or convicted in at least 11 slayings since 2005 — the largest killing spree involving soldiers at a single U.S. military installation in modern history.

Spurred by public outrage, the Army conducted a six-month study into the Fort Carson killings, examining the medical and combat histories of the 14 accused soldiers. Like Bressler, nine of the vets served in the 4th Brigade Combat Team, which suffered a casualty rate in Iraq eight times higher than other Fort Carson units.



Slate’s Use of Your Data
The increased violence around Fort Carson began at the start of the Iraq war. A 126-page Army report known as an “Epidemiological Consultation” released in 2009 found that the murder rate around the Army’s third-largest post had doubled and that the number of rape arrests had tripled. As David Philipps wrote in Lethal Warriors, his 2010 book about the crime spree, “In the year after the battalion returned from Iraq, the per-capita murder rate for this small group of soldiers was a hundred times greater than the national average.” Tellingly, 2-12’s post-traumatic stress disorder rate was more than three times that of an equivalent unit that had served in a less violent part of Iraq. The EPICON summarized all this in classic bureaucratic language, noting dully that there was “a possible association between increasing levels of combat exposure and risk for negative behavioral outcomes.”
 

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:manny: This life ain't for every body. Some can't handle it. The same people complaining or having issues could of possibly had issues anyway. Also I really dislike how people think PTSD has to be service related. A lot of us from the Hoods already had signs and symptoms of PTSD from friends and family members being shot or being shot at or raped or abused or whatever you may have...So I can't blame the military for these issues...

It also took me 17 years to realize this i would of told you otherwise at 3 years in. And this comes from reflection and time spent in combat, on staff in combat, planning for combat, training for combat, recruiting others, training others, figuring out what training others needed, and now advising.

Sadly some of us are more likely to have a traumatic or bad experiences right in their home town. Some people just aren't physically or mentally tough and some just lack empathy or a social conscious.

Ask yourself have you lost friends, seen a tragedy, been involved in a tragedy, caused the tragedy. Just sit back and reflect.

Without me serving i wouldn't probably be shyt. :manny: i learmed the importance of work, learned to be reliable, do things on my own, be apart something bigger than myself. I had a tough ending but my benefits are straight. Getting paid thousands to get an education :manny: in anything in life, shyt sometimes sucks, shyt is sometimes aight. :salute:

Overall it seems to be 50/50. Half the people who join love it, half of them are worse for it.....making a career outta something that 50% of those who join end up worse or hating doesn't sound great...

I got outta prison at 20, when I was 21 went to Army/Navy/Air Force/National Guard recruiters. This was 2010 or 2011, was rejected by them all. Same year, I was also rejected by JobCorps, all told me it was based on my record at that point...looking back on it i was willing to serve as a way to run up some quick legal cash and take me off the streets, and I think it could have worked for me. I was already built differently and stronger than most people my age---->but I seriously doubt I would have stayed more than 1-2 enlistments. So I'm 30 years old now, I'm 99% positive I would be out by now anyway. I have too many passions and avenues of life that I wanted to explore, I had way too much incentive to not want to be a career military man...

They don't accept people like me though, and that's cool. On the flip I'm also not sure that if I added military stress and trauma onto what was already there, that would have been the brightest thing...

Last frame of reference, both my parents were in the Army, dad did 23 years, mom did 22 total, like 8 in the Coast Guard and 14 in the Army...

They are 54 and 51 now and both miss it and look back on their time with fondness. Mom went to Iraq for about a year and a half in 2005-2006 and suffers from a variety of ailments and is on like 12 medications. Granted, she had a bit of PTSD and trauma from her youth. But she wasn't on all these fukking medications prior to Iraq. She was always a little psycho; war exacerbated it...

She's a "functioning crazy". Not alcoholic or completely out of it, but she has her days. I probably wouldn't have her if she wasn't on the meds. But again, she misses her time in the service and says she'd do it again...

My parents are wild patriotic and have gotten some identity back, but definitely were "company people" in their enlistment. And that military structure is 50/50, some kids and people and family need it. Others don't, and it can be really oppressive when you don't know how to shut it off at home...

Having trauma before the military can definitely impact you negatively...

:yeshrug:sad part is, the benefits you could get in the military could be easily applied to many fields/occupations/careers in this country

but hey

brown kids overseas gotta die apparently, and brehs who served gotta sleep outside.

This post is 100!

The salaries and benefits you can get from the Armed Forces is not unattainable in the civilian sector. I'm a multiple time felon and have been a felon since I was 16 and I recently made the same income in a very common service industry, with only about 5 years of work experience, as an E6 Army cat I know who is one year younger than me (29) and has been in since he was 19...

Many comparable benefits...

There is a lot of truth in the notion the military recruits impoverished kids who are more prone to believe there is nothing else they can do...

Granted, the guy I know enjoys his job, but my larger point is I'm illustrating the difference between perception and reality...

For my daughters, should they decide that's the route they wanna go, I'm okay with it, so long as they understand it's not their only option. You find what works for you. I thought it was potentially a "saving grace" for me in my early 20s, and many people think it's a saving grace and the best option out there. As long as they realize it isn't the only one and there are opportunity costs to everything, I could live with it...

I'm glad they didn't accept me, though!
 

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For someone with a similar outlook and approach to life as me:

You can save money easily in the military. There are discounts for a shytload of stuff, and you can live in military housing you don't really have to pay for, and even in civilian housing you can get discounted rates. It is hella easy to save money if you're focused in the military...

There are no other benefits to it for me or people with my outlook. The actual income levels are attainable fairly easily out here; there are places that offer linear or greater benefits. And most civilian jobs you don't carry the risk of having to go to war...

Also for cats like me, since I never joined and have these characteristics without having ever joined, I didn't need the military to teach me work ethic, discipline, structure, loyalty or patriotism, family, camaraderie, etc. I understand some people do, and that's cool. The military shapes you into an adult. I didn't need it for that, so just to reiterate, the only benefit to having been allowed to enlist, I believe would have been to be able to stack some money away pretty easily. I for sure believe I'd be borderline rich if I joined at 21, and got out sometime between 25-29 and I'm still the same age I am today. I've done well for myself without it, if I had that advantage, i would be sitting on something really strong...
 

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I find it hard to comprehend anyone who talks about the army in a positive way, other than a job with great benefits.

The brotherhood, the “changing hearts and minds”, the discipline, etc. is all bullshyt.

All those things can happen as a inner city outreach counselor. With less travel and more positive outcomes.

Military forces,cops,all agents to oppress and maintain the status quo.
 

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Question for the military brehs who had direct combat experience:

When you joined and picked that job, was it because you could only qualify for it- or if not, why did you?

I know a lot of that depends on your ASVAB score, background, and to an extent, your education.
 
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