When did "absolute majority of the berber tribes become white"? Last I checked, majority of them were mulatto.
Almoravids (related to Fula and Wolof tribes), Tuaregs, Zenaga, Kutama, Barfour, The Harratin, etc are/were all black african berbers
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When did "absolute majority of the berber tribes become white"? Last I checked, majority of them were mulatto.
Almoravids (related to Fula and Wolof tribes), Tuaregs, Zenaga, Kutama, Barfour, The Harratin, etc are/were all black african berbers
Not sure gotta ask my mom when I get the chance.
I'm black not mixed at all. None of my peoples really are. I just get way too much misinformation. I'm no fan of cacs or anything they do in Africa. From what I gather at some point north Africa was flooded with white folks and middle easterners. I think when the Sahara dried up people went east, west and south for the most part. Starting the various civilizations. Thats where I think my ppls come from the green Sahara. Were def not Arab or white. White washing is real. shyt is scary. I'm in no way white that's fukking disturbing.
Like I have said dozens of times. To understand the Moors, you have to understand Berbers. "Moor" to me is complex because during later periods Moors meant all "races". Here's a paining of "Moors" posted on the Moors Wikipedia page.
Yeah those are Moors INDEED, but are they Berbers? Thats the big question. Are they the original invaders of Iberia? Again me don't think so. We know that non-black Muslims soon outnumbered black Muslims in Iberia and again that Moors soon meant Muslims in general. So showing a white painting of the Moors is not really a good case of showing the true origins of the "Moors". This is why "Moors" is complex.
Anyways these are the people who would have been the "Moors" in early periods. BEFORE the Almoravids.
The Masmuda Berbers...
Fatimid infantry included "sudani or 'black' African and even Masmuda Berbers from the western Sahara ..." - See David Nicholle'sThe Third Crusade 1191: Richard the Lionheart, Saladin and the Struggle for ... - David Nicolle - Google Books
Fatimid infantry consisted of "20,000 Moroccans (Masmudi Berbers), 30,000 Sudanese, 10,000 'easterners..." - Terrence Wise, The Wars of the Crusades, 1096-1291, 1974, pp 52
Again they were literally what you called the "Moors". They were the most widespread Berber group and the most organized. They characterized by their extremely dark skinned.
I can post more evidence if need be. Trust me.
Yeah those are Moors INDEED, but are they Berbers? Thats the big question. Are they the original invaders of Iberia? Again me don't think so. We know that non-black Muslims soon outnumbered black Muslims in Iberia and again that Moors soon meant Muslims in general. So showing a white painting of the Moors is not really a good case of showing the true origins of the "Moors". This is why "Moors" is complex.
Anyways these are the people who would have been the "Moors" in early periods. BEFORE the Almoravids.
The Masmuda Berbers...
Fatimid infantry included "sudani or 'black' African and even Masmuda Berbers from the western Sahara ..." - See David Nicholle'sThe Third Crusade 1191: Richard the Lionheart, Saladin and the Struggle for ... - David Nicolle - Google Books
Fatimid infantry consisted of "20,000 Moroccans (Masmudi Berbers), 30,000 Sudanese, 10,000 'easterners..." - Terrence Wise, The Wars of the Crusades, 1096-1291, 1974, pp 52
Again they were literally what you called the "Moors". They were the most widespread Berber group and the most organized. They characterized by their extremely dark skinned.
I can post more evidence if need be. Trust me.
Whoa thats cool. I remember telling this Moroccan chick I use to be with this. She looked biracial though.
I would say whites/Middle Easterns flooded Northwest Africa after Muslims were expelled from Europe. Remember Northwest Africa beforehand was sparsely populated and Berber groups were spread out. What happened to Northwest Africa is similar to what happened with South Africa with Bantu's migrating to a sparsely populated area and absorbing the people. As for the bolded you're 100% correct. I've always said that on here.
And may I ask what Berber ethnic are you? Are you from Southern Morocco?
Lmao at white folks trying to claim my ppls past. Like didn't we teach them how to bath not to long ago. Man my mom use to tell me how they just shyt and pissed in a bucket then threw it out into the streets. I thought she was just exaggerating when I was a kid but damn after reading up they really were trife as fukk.
I have no clue. I never really asked questions like that. I've always been more about being black in america to even wonder where exactly my ancestor's are from until recently.
I see.
Just be warned that Eurocentrics have an obsession with your people. They think Northwest Africa is an extension of Europe.
When in reality it was Iberia(Southern Europe) that was an extension of Africa during the Paleolithic. The period of the Moors was really Africans recolonizing Iberia. To me that is.
Last you checked ?
I’m not gonna post pics but have you ever been in berber regions for you to make such a ridiculous claim ?
you are basically trying to teach me the story of my home countries.
Almoravids is the confideracy consisting of Zenaga, Lemtouna and other saharan berbers.
their only relation with wolof and fula is being saharan berbers and thus neighbours of black africans from the western Sahel. The people from Tekrour in current northern Senegal provided troops to their Almoravid ally and as neighbours of course they’re some intermarriage. but because of that claiming the almoravids are/were black african berbers is something completely different. Kotama are the whitest berbers of Algeria you’ll ever meet nothing to do with mulattos.
The Bafour were the northernmost blacks of north-west Africa. With the current Sahara area drying up more and more and they being agro-pastoralists they ended up migrating south to the areas of the Senegal valley who were wetter. Those who stayed in wet pockets of the Sahara known as oases and oueds ended up being tributaries of the Sanhadja who were Saharan berbers who had the advantage of utilising domesticated camels which meant they could easily dominate the cut off small Bafour communities.
The haratines are a mix of indigeneous black saharans (Bafour who stayed in oases) and ended up completely dominated by the berber Sanhajas and west-african slaves from communities like the Bambara Senoufos, Wolof, etc ... They are certainly no indigeneous berbers. Even up till now they are treated as slaves in the worst case and 2nd class citizens in the best.
What time frame did most of these non blacks move into Iberia and Morocco area. What I see with my eyes is a lot of north Africans look like latinos like there mixed black and white. I bet DNA could show an influx of white and "Arabs" more recent than they say.
Ok. It’s just your mom being moroccan ? You don’t speak berber or darija ?
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The period where Muslims were expelled from Europe. Around the 14th/15th century.
http://www.historytoday.com/roger-boase/muslim-expulsion-spain
Again that's where the bulk of the non-African mtDNA ancestry of Berbers come from. That and European enslavement.
Yeah just my moms side. Nope all I know is she came here when she was young up north and went to Muslim schools for awhile till she moved down south. I would have to ask her what she knows.