Theory On Ny Rap Dying : Decline In black people ?

[Lewis Black]

Think about it. Before any big hip hop movement/rapper goes to the mainstream they have to capture the hood (black people). When black people really fukk with your shyt the mainstream (white people) will start to notice you.

Everyday black new yorkers move back down south (coincidence? ) and the number of black people go down. Harlem aint all black anymore, brooklyn aint black like that anymore etc. Black people leaving in record numbers.

Now let's look at the south. You got black people supporting these rappers no matter what. That's why when one southern rapper falls off, there's 5 more to replace him

 

[Lil Bape the PostGod]

cool, thanks for sharing breh

 

[Lewis Black]

cool, thanks for sharing breh

 

[BlackDiBiase]

Interesting theory, and i think you are on something .. because the street co-sign means nothing anymore in fact the most popular/succesful rappers out in 2012 have zero street cred (it means nothing)

back then with NY where on top, there was no way you could shine without the street cred / street nod, no one gives a fukk about the south rappers they are not getting mainstream media coverage they are like a novelty.

The rappers on top are softer than ever (go out their way to be effeminate) , and i think the fading of NY's prominence has a lot to do with this.

or, really its because of 2003(50cent)

 

[Trip]

too expensive to live in NY, taxes are insane...a lot of folks either move upstate or down south...I see your point

 

[CapFromMCU]

"real hip hop", whatever the hell that is, means next to nothing at this point. new york was always viewed by most as home of that "real hip hop". you do the math.

everybody in the entire tri-state area that's an upcoming rapper that I've heard, for the most part, is going for that Lex Lugerish, Waka/Ross/Jeezy sound and feel. no disrespect to them brothas but that sh!t is nauseating, that aint what we supposed to be doing..

but, don't let perception distort reality. nas just had a number 1 album, which is probably the rap album of the year. jay-z is jay-z, and he's still very active. nicki minaj is one of the biggest stars in the world. the kids love asap rocky. etc... new york is still doin it, it's just different now though..

 

[Tom]

crack babies coming of age was the downfall of NY rap music


to keep it completely 100, cats like Alpo, Nickey Barnes etc indirectly killed hiphop based on what they did back in the day

 

[Lewis Black]

Interesting theory, and i think you are on something .. because the street co-sign means nothing anymore in fact the most popular/succesful rappers out in 2012 have zero street cred (it means nothing)

back then with NY where on top, there was no way you could shine without the street cred / street nod, no one gives a fukk about the south rappers they are not getting mainstream media coverage they are like a novelty.

The rappers on top are softer than ever (go out their way to be effeminate) , and i think the fading of NY's prominence has a lot to do with this.

or, really its because of 2003(50cent)

Good post.

but, don't let perception distort reality. nas just had a number 1 album, which is probably the rap album of the year. jay-z is jay-z, and he's still very active. nicki minaj is one of the biggest stars in the world. the kids love asap rocky. etc... new york is still doin it, it's just different now though..

You right niki, nas and jay are doing it....BUT... who are they playing in the clubs? who are the new new york rappers tryna sound like? In those clubs what type of music are they playing? It's either gonna be southern or southern influenced. Back in the day NY had it's own sound and never dared copied the west coast whistle sound (except biggie). Now go to a club in ny all you hear is trap influenced beats n rhymes.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

NY fell off because it lost it's grip and control of what is popping in hip hop...there was a time where rap orthodoxy was dictated by why what heads in NY were feeling...which is somewhat of an aberration as far as black music in america goes...historically, black music has been dominated by regions other than NYC...for a while they had it on lock in hip hop, almost by default because that's where it was birthed and the rap media and other outlets that controlled perception were very NYC centric...but once the restraints were officially all the way off, and NYC rap sensibilities had to compete with those of black america at large on a equal footing...it was a wrap

^ What i posted in one of the other couple dozen "why nyc rap fell off" threads...competition with the rest of black america in a "cultural free market", now that new york orthodoxy doesn't define rap sensibilities by default anymore...is, IMO, why they "fell off"

 

[Lewis Black]

^ What i posted in one of the other couple dozen "why nyc rap fell off" threads...competition with the rest of black america in a "cultural free market", now that new york orthodoxy doesn't define rap sensibilities by default anymore...is, IMO, why they "fell off"

So you kinda agree with my theory?

 

[OG Talk]

Thread starter is on point...People expecting NY to come back to their glory days will be waiting forever..Not just NY but a lot of the major cities in the Northeast or becoming so gentrified that it's causing the Black population to migrate into more rural areas..Where I live in D.C. is a perfect example...Everyone that grew up thugging in the city is now in Northern VA or PG County..

According to the census bureau New York city isn't even in the top 20 when it comes to population of African Americans...How are you ever gonna have a thriving hip hop culture and community when all of the Black people are being pushed out?

 

[The_Third_Man]

who's hot now? who's on top?

Cuz I don't get this whole "ny hiphop scene is dead/south is winning" arguement!

 

[Long Live The Kane]

So you kinda agree with my theory?

Not really but maybe kinda in a roundabout way...there ain't no shortage of black folks, black rappers, or black rap fans in NYC even with gentrification and all that...so I don't think that's it...my theory is that it just doesn't matter what they think as much as it once did...NYC's cultural sway on hip hop has been greatly diminished, and without it, they struggle (relative to back in the day) to have the impact they once did while competing on equal footing with the rest of the country...20 years ago, if you were the biggest hottest thing in NYC with the most buzz...you were almost certainly right up there as the biggest hottest thing in hip hop period with the most buzz...today, if you're the hottest thing in NYC with the most buzz...your ass is local like any of a number of regional acts that have their city on smash and who may or may not translate that to success in the game at large...

Where I can kinda agree with your theory, is that the south is historically the cultural home of black america and many of it's musical traditions (blues, jazz, gospel which gave birth to soul, etc)...and that it was inevitable that when hip hop became the preeminent form of black music, that the south would eventually dominate it to some extent

 

[Lewis Black]

Thread starter is on point...People expecting NY to come back to their glory days will be waiting forever..Not just NY but a lot of the major cities in the Northeast or becoming so gentrified that it's causing the Black population to migrate into more rural areas..Where I live in D.C. is a perfect example...Everyone that grew up thugging in the city is now in Northern VA or PG County..

According to the census bureau New York city isn't even in the top 20 when it comes to population of African Americans...How are you ever gonna have a thriving hip hop culture when all of the Black people are being pushed out?

You know what proves my theory right also? LA/cali. In the 90's the number of black people started to fall down in record numbers and what happend to them ........yeah.

 

[Lewis Black]

Not really but maybe kinda in a roundabout way...there ain't no shortage of black folks, black rappers, or black rap fans in NYC even with gentrification and all that...so I don't think that's it...my theory is that it just doesn't matter what they think as much as it once did...NYC's cultural sway on hip hop has been greatly diminished, and without it, they struggle (relative to back in the day) to have the impact they once did while competing on equal footing with the rest of the country...

Where I can kinda agree with your theory, is that the south is historically the cultural home of black america and many of it's musical traditions (blues, jazz, gospel which gave birth to soul, etc)...and that it was inevitable that when hip hop became the preeminent form of black music, that the south would eventually dominate it to some extent

Agreed.