"There are no great big men anymore because the games too fast for them"

[#1 pick]

Dog, Andrew Bynum plays in this era, the dude is barely able to move half the time. Yet someone like Brad Daugherty wouldn't be able to keep up? I'm sorry but I look at Marc Gasol and see a pretty good center that isn't better or more athletic than Rik Smits, yet Smits who wasn't elite....wouldn't be able to keep up?

Bynum has quick and fluid moves and doesn't take long to get into his offense.

Smits wasn't an average center in the 90's. He was a good one with decent quickness for his size. He was just kind of stiff in his overall movement.

 

[mastermind]

Thats one dude. You keep sayin Webber. Thats one fukking guy..

Why are there no dominant post players now?

What is your opinion on the reason?

I mention Webber because he was the hyped up as the next big thing at the PF position and people were wondering why he was taking 3 pointers and standing on the perimeter back then. The common criticism was that he did not want to bang down low despite his talents.

I admit that KG and Dirk sent that into hyperdrive, but there were guys doing it back then because they were inspired by Magic. Magic is was the inspiration for this era.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Paradigm shifts don't always happen immediately. For example nikkas been sagging since the 80's. It wasn't immediately a fashion trend on the level it is now, it has grown over time. Would you suggest that Wayne started that trend just because it's been more rampant recently?

Maybe. Maybe the game has evolved over time and maybe we just won't see the dominant 5's anymore.

We might have a 7ft , 265lb Lebron runnin the point in the year 2025...

 

[#1 pick]

Maybe. The game has evolved over time and maybe we just won't see the dominant 5's anymore.

A lot of them just don't stay in college long enough. The center is the PG of the offense but from the post. A lot of guys come out too soon and aren't ready to help much less be the PG from the post.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

I mention Webber because he was the hyped up as the next big thing at the PF position and people were wondering why he was taking 3 pointers and standing on the perimeter back then. The common criticism was that he did not want to bang down low despite his talents.

I admit that KG and Dirk sent that into hyperdrive, but there were guys doing it back then because they were inspired by Magic. Magic is was the inspiration for this era.

Thats all I'm sayin B.

They sent that shyt to another level.

 

[Malta]

Thats one dude. You keep sayin Webber. Thats one fukking guy..

Why are there no dominant post players now?

What is your opinion on the reason?

My opinion is that Big men are made in college, off the top of my head the average age their rookie years between Hakeem, Shaq, Zo, Mutumbo, Robinson, Kareem, Ewing, Wilt, Russell, Walton, McHale and Duncan was 22 years old. Shaq was the youngest of that group at 20, and even he stayed 2 years in College to mature. Even lesser centers like Daugherty, Smits, Seikaly all played 4 years, and it makes sense that the last truly great low post player drafted was Duncan. After that you have a flood of HS players and underclassmen hitting the league and most teams don't have the time to tutor players, either they have that foundation from the jump or it's basically "tough luck nikka, convert to a defensive 5".

I also blame the AAU culture as well, it's harder to stand out and wow people if you're down on the block, so more kids gravitate to playing on the perimeter, a dude like Perry Jones (6"11 in shoes) 20 years ago would have stayed 4 years and been a PF without question, right now he has no position in the league.

 

[mastermind]

Maybe. Maybe the game has evolved over time and maybe we just won't see the dominant 5's anymore.

We might have a 7ft , 265lb Lebron runnin the point in the year 2025...

the game has not evolved like that.

the center will always be the most important position. The problem is no one wants to play the 5 anymore because its not glamorous.

A lot of them just don't stay in college long enough. The center is the PG of the offense but from the post. A lot of guys come out too soon and aren't ready to help much less be the PG from the post.

The modern college game is the worst place for a center to develop their game, imo.

Its also too late by then. That mentality has to be instilled when these guys are in middle school and early HS.

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

Maybe. Maybe the game has evolved over time and maybe we just won't see the dominant 5's anymore.

We might have a 7ft , 265lb Lebron runnin the point in the year 2025...

i wouldnt call that evolving.. thats like saying boxings evolving because theyres no great heavywieghts anymore..

 

[#1 pick]

the game has not evolved like that.

the center will always be the most important position. The problem is no one wants to play the 5 anymore because its not glamorous.

The modern college game is the worst place for a center to develop their game, imo.

Its also too late by then. That mentality has to be instilled when these guys are in middle school and early HS.

the center is clearly the most important position and it tolds the most responsibility if used correctly with the proper talent.

Breh, Hakeem developed his game in college as did Deke. Hibbert developed in college. Breh, what are you talking about?

 

[Malta]

Bynum has quick and fluid moves and doesn't take long to get into his offense.

Smits wasn't an average center in the 90's. He was a good one with decent quickness for his size. He was just kind of stiff in his overall movement.

On what planet does Bynum have quick moves?


You have too many excuses, Rik Smits wasn't a great center, but you drop him into the league today and he's the best 5 in the game.

 

[No Homo]

how dumb to say

 

[#1 pick]

I was watching IU and OSU. The post game and entry passes had me ashamed to say I was a Hawks fan. Their post entry passes were legit, they both tried to run an inside-out system and it looked beautiful. Only Memphis runs a legit in-out offense in my opinion. Utah has the inside players but lacks the PG.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

My opinion is that Big men are made in college, off the top of my head the average age their rookie years between Hakeem, Shaq, Zo, Mutumbo, Robinson, Kareem, Ewing, Wilt, Russell, Walton, McHale and Duncan was 22 years old. Shaq was the youngest of that group at 20, and even he stayed 2 years in College to mature. Even lesser centers like Daugherty, Smits, Seikaly all played 4 years, and it makes sense that the last truly great low post player drafted was Duncan. After that you have a flood of HS players and underclassmen hitting the league and most teams don't have the time to tutor players, either they have that foundation from the jump or it's basically "tough luck nikka, convert to a defensive 5".

I also blame the AAU culture as well, it's harder to stand out and wow people if you're down on the block, so more kids gravitate to playing on the perimeter, a dude like Perry Jones (6"11 in shoes) 20 years ago would have stayed 4 years and been a PF without question, right now he has no position in the league.

Yeah, I think KG really took this to the next stratosphere..

Think about it. KG was the 1st HS player drafted straight to the league since Moses Malone if I'm not mistaken..

He's the father of this HS to the NBA shyt for a whole generation of kids..

These kids didn't grow up on Moses Malone killin you in the post gettin 20pts and 20 rebs for breakfast.

They grew up on seein KG hittin those jumpers..

KG to me represents the next era. The era of the new age 6'11, 7ft, PF who can step out and hit jumpers from 18-20ft and does not want to bang.

 

[Malta]

the game has not evolved like that.

the center will always be the most important position. The problem is no one wants to play the 5 anymore because its not glamorous.

The modern college game is the worst place for a center to develop their game, imo.

Its also too late by then. That mentality has to be instilled when these guys are in middle school and early HS.

I damn near guarantee the next great low post center comes from Europe at this point.

 

[#1 pick]

On what planet does Bynum have quick moves?


You have too many excuses, Rik Smits wasn't a great center, but you drop him into the league today and he's the best 5 in the game.

Breh, Bynum has always had quick post moves, what planet are you on?

No one said Smits was a great center. He might be top 5, he's better than Brook Lopez to me. Noah, Howard, Hibbert, and Bynum is better than Smits.