There are three 20/10 big men this year.

[Heelmatic]

That doesn't explain where all the 6'6" dudes have gone though

A lot of the guys now who are 6'6"-6'7", to me at least, seem like they are too bulky or slow to play the 2 spot. The SG position has more talent now than in the past few years, but the talent is still slim. It's just hard to find that SG who does a little bit of everything. Coming outta college it's mostly that spot-up shooter, combo guard, or pure athlete with no jumper.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Harden ain't the best

He should be compare to monta not Kobe

 

[Trojan 24]

It seems Wade has done the most damage to the SG position lately, it's why guys like Randy Foye & Dion Waiters were taken so high, and why Stuckey, Tyreke, Oladipo etc. get Wade comparisons. Everyone wants that 6'4" combo guard with long arms that is mostly a 2 that can play the 1 at times.

Just look at some of the SG prospects expected to come out of the draft, Selden/Smart get Wade comparisons already.

Yea but I feel like Wade is the more normal size for a SG, it seems like a lot of guys coming up are pegged as big PG's cause their not 6'6", when they should have been a 2 man from the beginning. Which Is why theres a lack of skill at the position. Like I always felt a SG should be a blend of the PG and SF, but now we get guys who are either big but lack the skills of a true SG or so called tweeners that never developed an all around game because they played the point and just attacked the rim their whole life. When they should have been brought up as SG's and developed their skills accordingly

 

[FAH1223]

Lack of fundamentals, also they can either shoot or can't break down a defender, or they can break down a defender and can't shoot. When we see a dude that can do both with above average athleticism, he'll be a supestar.

Every 6'4" guard is compared to Wade, neglecting the fact he's a hair under 6'5" in shoes and had elite handle + elite athleticism.

Once Bradley Beal starts attacking the rim more instead of taking long 2s, he's going to be a top SG in this league. Kid is Ray Allen lite. Still amazed at how fundamental he is at just 20.

His handles are much better than they were a year ago and he may just completely blow up next season if he keeps progressing.

 

[mastermind]

What happened with shooting guards? I feel like theyre all so talented its tough for any of them to stand out

its historically the weakest position in the starting 5

Now guys that are 6'4 are tweeners, when maybe that's the normal size for a 2 guard

historically, it is the normal size


Dont think brehs understand this, but the shooting guard position was usually a spot up shooter off the ball. Didnt have the best handles. THe small forward was the premier perimeter position and is where the great athlete was and what the 2 guard position turned into for the 20+ years of Jordan-Kobe. That is starting to come back now.

 

[Trojan 24]

its historically the weakest position in the starting 5

Yea I think this is true, but with Jordan and Kobe being two of the greatest ever it kind of clouds how we view the position. It would probably be best to categorize those two as freaks of the position and temper our expectation.

 

[mastermind]

Yea I think this is true, but with Jordan and Kobe being two of the greatest ever it kind of clouds how we view the position. It would probably be best to categorize those two as freaks of the position and temper our expectation.

exactly

 

[Malta]

Yea but I feel like Wade is the more normal size for a SG, it seems like a lot of guys coming up are pegged as big PG's cause their not 6'6", when they should have been a 2 man from the beginning. Which Is why theres a lack of skill at the position. Like I always felt a SG should be a blend of the PG and SF, but now we get guys who are either big but lack the skills of a true SG or so called tweeners that never developed an all around game because they played the point and just attacked the rim there whole life. When they should have been brought up as SG's and developed their skills accordingly

Prior to Wade from 00 to the day he was drafted, the best SGs in the NBA were -

Kobe - 6'6"
Tmac - 6'8"
Vince - 6'7"
Ray Allen - 6'6"
Michael Redd - 6'6"
Jerry Stackhouse - 6'6"
Jason Richardson - 6'6"
Michael Finley - 6'7"
Rip Hamilton - 6'7"
Allan Houston - 6'6"

Hell Eddie Jones (6'6") would have gotten a max contract based on his production from 00 to the time Wade was drafted.

Teams were following the template of MJ/Kobe, after Wade the position has seemingly changed and there are guys that can sort of play the 1 at times, but are generally 2s. Guys that would have been PGs are now being touted as combo guards when they can't effectively play PG, and they end up sucking at the 2 as well (Stuckey/Foye).

 

[Malta]

its historically the weakest position in the starting 5


historically, it is the normal size


Dont think brehs understand this, but the shooting guard position was usually a spot up shooter off the ball. Didnt have the best handles. THe small forward was the premier perimeter position and is where the great athlete was and what the 2 guard position turned into for the 20+ years of Jordan-Kobe. That is starting to come back now.

That may be true, but there was a period there where we had a gang of SGs, and 3 of them were franchise level players (Kobe/Tmac/VC).

 

[Trojan 24]

exactly

exactly

Yea to your earlier point I always felt a SG should be more like Klay Thompson, a knock down shooter, good defender, who occasionally can attack the rim. Not a basketball savant that can score anywhere on the floor, attack the rim at will, and also post up.

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

May God guide Dwayne Wade to the straight path of Islam.

 

[Malta]

Once Bradley Beal starts attacking the rim more instead of taking long 2s, he's going to be a top SG in this league. Kid is Ray Allen lite. Still amazed at how fundamental he is at just 20.

His handles are much better than they were a year ago and he may just completely blow up next season if he keeps progressing.

He's going to be a multi-time allstar IMO, and will eventually push Wall aside as the franchise player in DC (provided yall don't get Durant )


His handle needs work though, and he's not exactly an above the rim player.

 

[Malta]

Yea to your earlier point I always felt a SG should be more like Klay Thompson, a knock down shooter, good defender, who occasionally can attack the rim. Not a basketball savant that can score anywhere on the floor, attack the rim at will, and also post up.

Yeah, but that second player you described is more rare, and when they come a long at the 2 they clearly have a huge impact on wins and losses.

 

[FAH1223]

He's going to be a multi-time allstar IMO, and will eventually push Wall aside as the franchise player in DC (provided yall don't get Durant )


His handle needs work though, and he's not exactly an above the rim player.

On the surface, no. But he's surprised with some of these dunks and the hops He's very crafty with his athleticism.

And yeah, it looks like he will be better than Wall as an all around player, a complete player.

Handles, then post game, then beast mode... just hope he stays healthy.

Mitch Richmond is also a comparison I've made to Beal. Very similar shot mechanics and releases.

 

[mastermind]

That may be true, but there was a period there where we had a gang of SGs, and 3 of them were franchise level players (Kobe/Tmac/VC).

i get what you saying, but a generation of kids grew up thinking big men played like KG or like Alonzo Mourning and Dwight Howard. They also thought Tim Duncan's game was boring and corny.

From MJ to Kobe, the 2guard position exploded but it was never the norm. We seeing sort of a resurgence of the small forward position which was the dominant perimeter position.

Yea to your earlier point I always felt a SG should be more like Klay Thompson, a knock down shooter, good defender, who occasionally can attack the rim. Not a basketball savant that can score anywhere on the floor, attack the rim at will, and also post up.

yup, Klay Thompson would have been a perfect pre-Jordan 2guard.