There is no Blk/Brown Unity (IMO)

[Black Steph Curry]

but then i go to the fact that the five-percenters one of the most realest group on da streets - had absolutely no problem accepting them to spitting that da white man is da devil / da black man is god... type of shyt

And? I know it might sound blasphemous to say but as much knowledge of self they claim to have they should know better, and no group's thinking is infallible including tha 5 percenters. I can't say if this is tha norm for them or only something you encountered but nikkas gotta have more pride than that if all it takes is for cats to say tha black man is god to get a nikka pass. Me personally i wouldn't care if them muthafukkas got they finest wives to give me daily dikksucks with platters of cheese eggs (turkey) bacon & biscuits n gravy every morning to prove how 'down' they were, if they ain't black, i ain't giving em no passes, any non black person saying nikka with ease shows a level of ignorance and disrespect i'm not willing to tolerate. Hell i don't even think it's good for us to say it to each other but i understand why we do so. I personally don't even say it around mixed company. Other races keep their slurs in house, i know this cuz you never hear a jew call another jew a kike and you never hear an Asian American call a fob a chink, so why can't we do tha same? Tha situation we're in now is why Mc Eiht could say nikka uncensored all throughout his songs but tha word jap was cut out, why 21 savage can rap about his choppa hating nikkas like tha kkk but gets his proverbial nuts cut off by his handlers when he talks about getting jew money. We gotta stop selling ourselves short.

Here's a closing thought. If they were so down and conscious like they claim to be why would they even want to use a word they know has such a sordid history with us, a word they know they have no stake in using because they didn't go through what we went through?

 

[Black_Jesus]

Most Mexicans I've interacted with from the south act real nervous, wierd, and scary around black people

 

[kingofnyc]

And? I know it might sound blasphemous to say but as much knowledge of self they claim to have they should know better, and no group's thinking is infallible including tha 5 percenters. I can't say if this is tha norm for them or only something you encountered but nikkas gotta have more pride than that if all it takes is for cats to say tha black man is god to get a nikka pass. Me personally i wouldn't care if them muthafukkas got they finest wives to give me daily dikksucks with platters of cheese eggs (turkey) bacon & biscuits n gravy every morning to prove how 'down' they were, if they ain't black, i ain't giving em no passes, any non black person saying nikka with ease shows a level of ignorance and disrespect i'm not willing to tolerate. Hell i don't even think it's good for us to say it to each other but i understand why we do so. I personally don't even say it around mixed company. Other races keep their slurs in house, i know this cuz you never hear a jew call another jew a kike and you never hear an Asian American call a fob a chink, so why can't we do tha same? Tha situation we're in now is why Mc Eiht could say nikka uncensored all throughout his songs but tha word jap was cut out, why 21 savage can rap about his choppa hating nikkas like tha kkk but gets his proverbial nuts cut off by his handlers when he talks about getting jew money. We gotta stop selling ourselves short.

Here's a closing thought. If they were so down and conscious like they claim to be why would they even want to use a word they know has such a sordid history with us, a word they know they have no stake in using because they didn't go through what we went through?

my brother - i feel you on us using the word, as an older man in my 40’s i understand the usage being problematic.... with that said
my generation meaning the birth of hip hop shouldn't get the blame for populating the word - the blaxploitation era is where it started


and to answer the latter of your post... is where we have a disconnect
i’ve posted multiples times, of the average Rican/Dominican DNA
so you asking the question of why would they wanna used the word - doesn't make sense when them same people have actually African bloodline in them & feel like they get treated the same as us
your question is VERY VALID - but it should be asked to Whites, Asians, Indians & Mexicans types

finally ......... peep the video

 

[Black Steph Curry]

my brother - i feel you on us using the word, as an older man in my 40’s i understand the usage being problematic.... with that said
my generation meaning the birth of hip hop shouldn't get the blame for populating the word - the blaxploitation era is where it started


and to answer the latter of your post... is where we have a disconnect
i’ve posted multiples times, of the average Rican/Dominican DNA
so you asking the question of why would they wanna used the word - doesn't make sense when them same people have actually African bloodline in them & feel like they get treated the same as us
your question is VERY VALID - but it should be asked to Whites, Asians, Indians & Mexicans types

finally ......... peep the video

I wasn't blaming hip hop at all just illustrating tha way things are today. Hell even in old timey books like native son and tha iceberg slim autobiography nikkas was calling each other nikkas freely.

And i gotta say you have me mistaken, i already said i acknowledge tha fact tht a large number of island latinos have significant African dna, it would be wrong to say I'm saying no latinos at all should get a pass. Im just saying tht African dna there ain't as uniformly distributed as yall assume it to be, and alot of ricans over there tht ain't even got much black in em are getting passes and slipping through tha cracks just off tha strength of people in ny assuming they have black in them just because they're from tha island. Like fat joe, who's to say he ain't just majority spaniard and taino, but since he's rican he's automatically assumed to have a certain level of black in him when tht may not be true, same for dominicans. Bottom line not all of em are genetically connected to tha motherland like tht, tht's tha key phrase. Not all. And i think it's time to start vetting and seeing who's who. And it won't take dna test to do so either, as seen in what im gonna say next.

Aside from tht, speaking to tht paul mooney video I bet he's right tht alot of em tht are eager to say nikka ain't so eager to claim blackness themselves, to me thts a violation whether they're actually black or not. Even more of a reason to revoke their pass. So i think thts a good enough test to see who can get tht comfortable with brothas to say tha word or not. If a latino has no problem identifying as black then let em rock. If they freeze up or try to sidestep, juelz and dilute their identity with bullshyt terms like spanish or using their nationality as an identifier in place of their race, then it's time to apply pressure. Take @Nicole0416 for example, she's Dominican but she ain't scared to claim her race so obviously we let her rock.

 

[MaxPain]

NOT tryna turn this into a bash Dominicans. I fukk wit Dominicans, had many Dominican friends and smashed a couple of
Dominican girls(). But... You Moreno and Negra Dominicans NEED to start calling out those pale skinned elitist Dominicans from Santiago because I notice its been THEM this whole time who have been fanning anti-Black retheric in the DR and in the DR community.

Fact is... I don't believe darker skinned Dominicans "deny" their African ancestry like the Coli makes it seem but are just "confused" not only that I notice that darker skinned Dominicans behave like AAs a bit and I notice this a lot. Hell just look at this shyt.


I believe they KNOW they are African influenced but since the pale Dominicans have all the capital and power they dictate the "culture." Many of the most RACIST Dominican nationals I've seen online have been those pale skinned types from Santiago. This is why I no longer go head first with the "Dominicans are c00ns!" because there are a lot of context in place. Seen a "morena" skinned Dominican chick defending Haitians and clowning those pale skinned types on twitter.

Do you agree? Also @Hennessypapi and @September do yall also agree? Dominican history seems to be complex and I can add on too.

Sorry for taking so long...

He's right, I won't say we are comparable to AA's simply bc u guys (AA's) had the line drawn in the sand of whose black and whose not + the one drop rule...which allowed the Civil Rights era, fighting back against the system, pro blackness...

We didn't as much...which is why I've said before that it seems like Spaniards are less hesitant to race mix than French or British colonies... and we are more "integrated" hence the nationalism of being Dominican > then black (the white ones push white first though....)

@ElMorenoFeo809 is pretty much on point...Idk if we'll ever get a Civil Rights era....a lot of Dominicans are waking up..

Funny u said Santiago @Diasporan Royalty ..the running joke with my family is that all my "white" cousins are from the north and all the black ones from the South (where we are from...Santo Domingo)...

As far as us calling them out?..it's slowly starting to happen...but a lot of Dominicans (dark ones) keep holding on to nationalism rather than race (which is the opposite of AA's being race first than American first)....

 

[kingofnyc]

I wasn't blaming hip hop at all just illustrating tha way things are today. Hell even in old timey books like native son and tha iceberg slim autobiography nikkas was calling each other nikkas freely.

And i gotta say you have me mistaken, i already said i acknowledge tha fact tht a large number of island latinos have significant African dna, it would be wrong to say I'm saying no latinos at all should get a pass. Im just saying tht African dna there ain't as uniformly distributed as yall assume it to be, and alot of ricans over there tht ain't even got much black in em are getting passes and slipping through tha cracks just off tha strength of people in ny assuming they have black in them just because they're from tha island. Like fat joe, who's to say he ain't just majority spaniard and taino, but since he's rican he's automatically assumed to have a certain level of black in him when tht may not be true, same for dominicans. Bottom line not all of em are genetically connected to tha motherland like tht, tht's tha key phrase. Not all. And i think it's time to start vetting and seeing who's who. And it won't take dna test to do so either, as seen in what im gonna say next.

Aside from tht, speaking to tht paul mooney video I bet he's right tht alot of em tht are eager to say nikka ain't so eager to claim blackness themselves, to me thts a violation whether they're actually black or not. Even more of a reason to revoke their pass. So i think thts a good enough test to see who can get tht comfortable with brothas to say tha word or not. If a latino has no problem identifying as black then let em rock. If they freeze up or try to sidestep, juelz and dilute their identity with bullshyt terms like spanish or using their nationality as an identifier in place of their race, then it's time to apply pressure. Take @Nicole0416 for example, she's Dominican but she ain't scared to claim her race so obviously we let her rock.

i’ll only address 2 things from your post

1. the vetting.... you mentioned fat Joe which is kinda odd because I don’t think many people would deny him from having African bloodline in him, its exactly what Paul Mooney said you don’t judge a persons race by the color of their skin or the color of their eyes or the texture of their hair you judge them based off the way they are built as far as their body and their facial features. if you look at the overwhelming majority of Latinos from the Caribbean and we talking Puerto Rican people specifically they have the nose ; they have the lips ; they have the bone structure ; they have the body - the females are equipped with every attribute from the motherland


2. identifying oneself - I was born & raised in the Bronx so I definitely know what I’m talking about I’ve met thousands pon thousands of Latinos now I will say this when it comes to Dominicans some can be a bit flaky about identifying their race / ethnicity but when it comes to Puerto Ricans and I’ll put this on everything I know and everything I own.... i never ever ever heard one of them claim to be White, its either Boricua or Black

 

[Juven]

I agree one hundred percent. Spanish people stay biting black culture and want to be down but then look down on black people especially those Mexicans and Dominicans. Some of them are cool but most of them are full of shyt and are just pretenders.

Spanish people are some wanna be white people half the time who bite our culture and don't know who they are. Though truth be told us as blacks need to build more with each other like other races do.

And you dudes do the same thing. You dudes even shyt on shirt black people and poor black people. Do you even say thank you at McDonald's? There is no unity if you don't believe in it. It is all about the power of the individual.

 

[getmoney310cpt]

@Yoda you sound like you don’t like ******s but you all on this site..if we all snakes go find a Mexican forum and talk with the side of yourself you love..if you hate your black side because you got robbed or beat up by some black guys that’s weak and p*ssy but to be expected from you mulattos..you never side with your blackness and you actually hate it...I feel bad for your baby mother as she is laying with a man who feels all her black family are “snakes”..I know when you have a kid or if you do you will do everything in your power to make sure they are white washed and identify as Mexican over black...your post reek of vitriol for my people..

 

[Rawtid]

Black people have more unity than we realize. Not one black person can disagree there is a disparity in the way we are treated in comparison to other races. The devil is in the details though. Not everyone is going to agree how to navigate this disparity to obtain an outcome of their liking. I agree with you OP, that as a whole, there is and probably will never be any unity, but as small groups, families or communities in certain pockets of cities, we are united af lol. I feel it's more important we continue to mobilize at the family and community levels than as a group overall.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Sorry for taking so long...

He's right, I won't say we are comparable to AA's simply bc u guys (AA's) had the line drawn in the sand of whose black and whose not + the one drop rule...which allowed the Civil Rights era, fighting back against the system, pro blackness...

Indeed.

We didn't as much...which is why I've said before that it seems like Spaniards are less hesitant to race mix than French or British colonies... and we are more "integrated" hence the nationalism of being Dominican > then black (the white ones push white first though....)

Good point, however this would mostly be true for islander Hispanics mainly Dominicans and Puerto Ricans. I say this because Afro-Colombians and Afro-Venezuelans were never "integrated" and thus do have a strong identify of Blackness. Unless Dominicans they are a minority in their nation and so its rather easy for them to identify as Black. Was even saying this in another thread.

@ElMorenoFeo809 is pretty much on point...Idk if we'll ever get a Civil Rights era....a lot of Dominicans are waking up..

To me its necessary especially for the darker skinned ones.

Funny u said Santiago @Diasporan Royalty ..the running joke with my family is that all my "white" cousins are from the north and all the black ones from the South (where we are from...Santo Domingo)...

I assumed Santo Domingo would have the most "Whites." But yea I notice the racist Dominican nationalist are usually from Santiago/Cibao. Its a pattern I've been noticing and which is why I try and have a objective view of Dominicans because like I said shyts complex. Most of the Dominicans I've seen spewing Eurocentric shyt on forums, trolling Haitians/Aframs online and trying to White wash the DR have been those pale White Dominicans and they are almost always from Cibao.

However, not all of them seem to be like that cuz I remember in my school there was this older Dominican lady and she was very pale from the more rural area and she was OD down for Black ppl and was NOT afraid to admit she had African ancestry. We had a good convo on Haiti and DR.

But yea all in all whenever you see a racist nationalist Dominican trolling negros its usally the pale ones and they are almost always from Santiago/Cibao.

As far as us calling them out?..it's slowly starting to happen...but a lot of Dominicans (dark ones) keep holding on to nationalism rather than race (which is the opposite of AA's being race first than American first)....

If its true that its mainly the DARKER skinned ones in poverty like here then yea there needs to be an awakening. Yea I understand its important to be nationalistic because if the majority of the population who is dark skinned and in poverty then how far will nationalism take you?

 

[AuntAnniesPretzels]

Black people have more unity than we realize. Not one black person can disagree there is a disparity in the way we are treated in comparison to other races. The devil is in the details though. Not everyone is going to agree how to navigate this disparity to obtain an outcome of their liking. I agree with you OP, that as a whole, there is and probably will never be any unity, but as small groups, families or communities in certain pockets of cities, we are united af lol. I feel it's more important we continue to mobilize at the family and community levels than as a group overall.

Said this before and got pushback. People have no idea how regular c00ning is among other minorities

 

[96Blue]

Sorry for taking so long...

He's right, I won't say we are comparable to AA's simply bc u guys (AA's) had the line drawn in the sand of whose black and whose not + the one drop rule...which allowed the Civil Rights era, fighting back against the system, pro blackness...

We didn't as much...which is why I've said before that it seems like Spaniards are less hesitant to race mix than French or British colonies... and we are more "integrated" hence the nationalism of being Dominican > then black (the white ones push white first though....)

@ElMorenoFeo809 is pretty much on point...Idk if we'll ever get a Civil Rights era....a lot of Dominicans are waking up..

Funny u said Santiago @Diasporan Royalty ..the running joke with my family is that all my "white" cousins are from the north and all the black ones from the South (where we are from...Santo Domingo)...

As far as us calling them out?..it's slowly starting to happen...but a lot of Dominicans (dark ones) keep holding on to nationalism rather than race (which is the opposite of AA's being race first than American first)....

Quick question: Do Dominicans know about the AA's that went to the DR and helped them get their independence in the Restoration War?

 

[3rdWorld]

Hispanics have avoided this thread because even they know there is no such thing as Black and Brown unity..

Only people pushing for that Black/ Brown coalition is insecure Black folks

Hispanics only like the hip hop and fukkery, beyond that they could give a fukk about uniting with Blacks

 

[True Darkseid]

I like traditional Mexican culture but everyone has different experiences. He shouldn’t invalidate your experiences and you shouldn’t invalidate his (not saying you are)

There are communities where blacks and arabs get along, blacks and asians get along, blacks and working class whites get along then there’s communities where it’s a reverse for all of those. There’s very few absolutes and the vibe can differ from section to section, city to city, state to state

Please tell me where, and I ain't talking no corner store shyt either. I am talking about legit having each others backs.

 

[Black Steph Curry]

i’ll only address 2 things from your post

1. the vetting.... you mentioned fat Joe which is kinda odd because I don’t think many people would deny him from having African bloodline in him, its exactly what Paul Mooney said you don’t judge a persons race by the color of their skin or the color of their eyes or the texture of their hair you judge them based off the way they are built as far as their body and their facial features. if you look at the overwhelming majority of Latinos from the Caribbean and we talking Puerto Rican people specifically they have the nose ; they have the lips ; they have the bone structure ; they have the body - the females are equipped with every attribute from the motherland


2. identifying oneself - I was born & raised in the Bronx so I definitely know what I’m talking about I’ve met thousands pon thousands of Latinos now I will say this when it comes to Dominicans some can be a bit flaky about identifying their race / ethnicity but when it comes to Puerto Ricans and I’ll put this on everything I know and everything I own.... i never ever ever heard one of them claim to be White, its either Boricua or Black

1. Have you ever heard fat joe explicitly claim to be black? He may have black in him but if he doesn't identify as black then it's irrelevant anyway.

2. As for Puerto Ricans well there you go. All tha ricans who use their nationality as as their identifier in place of their race are either not in a position genetically/phenotypically to claim blackness or they're ashamed/hesitant to claim tha race tht they are, and thts when you check them. They can't have it both ways. But if they identify as black then they're cool.