There's a generation gap in hip hop and its the old heads who are in denial about it.

[Ricardo Gardner]

That was good. I'm trying to remember the name of this UK female someone put me on like 4-5 years ago, she was bad too, and I believe she also had a podcast? She was a rapper, cant remember her name, though!

If I ever leave the US I'm going to London. How is the overall black experience there?

safe for listening, Dave in particular is the truth cos of his story and how he uses his platform but the scene is really healthy over here, people have built up online platforms on youtube like BL@CKBOX, Link Up TV, GRM Daily, SB:TV and Pressplay so the artists have infrastructure and an audience and don't need to water down their content. Plus other parts of the UK like Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool and Bristol are making noise

the podcast bit has me drawing a blank but i guess recently it could be Lady Leshurr, Stefflon Don, Ms. Banks, Mz Bratt, Lioness?? Little Simz is a newer artist but she's killing it at the moment. And Ms. Dynamite, Est'elle, Shystie and No Lay are other female mc's from a slightly older generation.

I can't front, I'm just a mid-30's broke white boy so I cannot be speaking on the black experience. but i would encourage you to come to London even just to visit, it's a special place and the energy and mix of cultures is something else. instead i really recommend this piece by a black british journalist about UK mc culture:

Without The Windrush Generation, British MC Culture Would Be Non-Existent

as a cac i guess i can still say it's far from all good. london is full of money from all over the world and they are gentrifying every part, and using issues like knife crime in a racist way to justify it. 72 people burnt to death in a government-owned tower block (Grenfell Tower) and they've done nothing because most of the people weren't white. plus the recent Windrush Scandal had the government deporting black British citizens illegally as well as denying them jobs, homes and healthcare: Windrush scandal - Wikipedia

sorry for the essay, i recommend checking this thread too: https://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-official-grime-thread.212476/page-58

 

[puppetmaster]

I keep an open mind and ear for that very reason. I HATED listening to my old heads talk that “rap is just bytches and hoes and cussing” shyt. I refuse to do it to the young bulls. If it’s not for me I just keep it moving

 

[Methodical]

@smokeurobinson

actually, it's totally different cause he never liked Hip-Hop in any era, he talked about soulful music, etc. He just don't like Hip-Hop period.

 

[Methodical]

DRUGS...

OGs from the 60s & 70s had original music about peace and love and helping brothers and sisters. They didn’t like that HipHop came in with all that violent Kill a nikka fukk a bytch songs over the melodies they loved so much in their days. They was more behind the scenes violent taking acid and LSD wile talking that peace love shyt in music mainstream.

VIOLENCE...

OGs 80s & 90s complain over the mainstream drug use of HipHop because they used to do it behind the scenes and told kids to stop the violence wile sniffing coke and hitting the pipe and beating fools to a bloody pulp behind the scenes.

HHHHMMMMM.....

I don’t know what’s next in HipHop but better believe this generation will complain about something because the next generation will bring what they did behind closed doors to the mainstream.....if I had to guess I would say......BEING GAY......looks like it’s happened now between the early 00 rappers and the new rappers now.

Well said.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

It’s old heads that are out of tune and young dudes without an ounce of care for history. Pretty much goes hand in hand.

 

[CrimsonTider]

@smokeurobinson

actually, it's totally different cause he never liked Hip-Hop in any era, he talked about soulful music, etc. He just don't like Hip-Hop period.

Nah it’s the same

 

[Methodical]

It’s old heads that are out of tune and young dudes without an ounce of care for history. Pretty much goes hand in hand.

Ummm....that's pretty damn true.

But I always wonder why is it the only Hip-Hop in music genres that gotta be "It's a young man game"? and on some "You're just flabby n sick " "Let it go" but you never see with Heavy Metal, Rock N Roll, Country, R&B, etc....you see what I mean?......

@smokeurobinson

 

[Playaz Eyez]

Ummm....that's pretty damn true.

But I always wonder why is it the only Hip-Hop in music genres that gotta be "It's a young man game"? and on some "You're just flabby n sick " "Let it go" but you never see with Heavy Metal, Rock N Roll, Country, R&B, etc....you see what I mean?......

@smokeurobinson

Hip hop is looked at as a “young mans game” cause that’s the root of its existence — youth and competition. It’s always been that way dating back to the 80s. Funny thing is, two or the most popular artists today (Drake and Future) are 32 and 35, but their extremist fanbases don’t realize that.

Shouldn’t really be that way though. There’s no reason older hip hop artists shouldn’t be as celebrated as other genres, especially if that artist ages gracefully (like Nas, Ross, Jay, E-40, Juicy J, and some others).

 

[Wacky D]

its not the same.

steve Harvey didn't rock with hip-hop at all. not even the '70s rap scene.
hes a complete outsider to the culture.

you cant compare that to people being critical of their own genre.

yes there are still gonna be generational differences but I think the biggest gap is between people who got into rap before it was completely dumbed-down as opposed to people who got into rap afterwards.

hell, theres a lot of people my age who I don't see eye-to-eye with because they didn't get into rap heavy until the late '90s and just missed out on the last golden era, so theres certain chit that they just don't grasp.

Ummm....that's pretty damn true.

But I always wonder why is it the only Hip-Hop in music genres that gotta be "It's a young man game"? and on some "You're just flabby n sick " "Let it go" but you never see with Heavy Metal, Rock N Roll, Country, R&B, etc....you see what I mean?......

@smokeurobinson

I think its because rap is/was traditionally more of a competitive sport. that's what seperates it from other music.

problem now is the chit aint competitive at all and yet people are just automatically dismissing older rappers, even when theyre getting in the younger rappers' ass.

also, the young rappers aren't even young anymore. most of them are like 30.​

 

[jmspro]

I had old heads Steve Harvey's age bumping Ice Cream Man in my hood growing up.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Ummm....that's pretty damn true.

But I always wonder why is it the only Hip-Hop in music genres that gotta be "It's a young man game"? and on some "You're just flabby n sick " "Let it go" but you never see with Heavy Metal, Rock N Roll, Country, R&B, etc....you see what I mean?......

@smokeurobinson

Thats a myth that was debunked in the 90's when ol boy from the movie Clueless broke it down about how he doesn't give a damn about The Rolling Stones and his kids in the future wont give a damn about Nine Inch Nails.

 

[smokeurobinson]

its not the same.

steve Harvey didn't rock with hip-hop at all. not even the '70s rap scene.
hes a complete outsider to the culture.

you cant compare that to people being critical of their own genre.

yes there are still gonna be generational differences but I think the biggest gap is between people who got into rap before it was completely dumbed-down as opposed to people who got into rap afterwards.

hell, theres a lot of people my age who I don't see eye-to-eye with because they didn't get into rap heavy until the late '90s and just missed out on the last golden era, so theres certain chit that they just don't grasp.

It is the same. I already explained why it has nothing to do with the different genres. U bringing up people in your age range getting into rap late is you changing the topic from the generation gap to try to prove a point that has nothing to do with the original topic. I'm not talking about adults...I'm talking about the kids vs adults.



And since u didnt catch it the first time let me explain why you can compare someone being critical of 70's R&B to 90's Rap to that of someone being critical of 90's rap vs now rap( a lie you made up to stir your argument). Because the standards of rap music are all together different to begin with. 70's Hip Hop is totally different from 2010's Hip Hop. There is absolutely no way you can grade 2010's Hip Hop on a 70's curve...its impossible. Thats why u are wrong. The DJ is no longer the star of the show, the rapper is. We dont pass tapes around anymore. We dont have to wait for a certain time on a specific radio station for rap music anymore. There was a stronger emphasis on what was considered "wack." Funk Master Flex confirmed it years ago...there was a time were you heard about someone like Grand Master Flash but u didnt know what he looked like. I myself didnt know what Doug E Fresh looked like until years after his debut. We not in those times anymore.Now u can just Google a rappers name and see a bunch of his/her pics. In the 90's I used to steal tapes from HMV and I evetually got caught....In 2010's I 've stolen a shyt load of music from the internet and the cops have yet to knock on my door. In the 80's, Fresh Prince was not someone I had easy access to communicating with but just last week I had a back and forth conversation with Saigon on social media. I can download programs , hit up some Youtube beatmakers and make a whole album on my laptop....I dont have to go to a professional studio. I dont have to have mt song played on radio like back in the day....Now I can be famous on Youtube or soundcloud. The standards of yesteryears Hip Hop are not the same as todays standards. So u are wrong.

 

[Greenhornet]

you cant say 90s hiphop and 70s music is the same to prove your point
then talk about the complaint "but they played instruments!"

when 100% of them nikkas are paying royalties to the 70s because they cant play instruments

whole bands and movements of music cant be compared to ticky tack ass drum machines and 808 one button bass drops and 3 note synth leads
would a ford escort be better than a bently because its more efficient?

problem is the music isnt bad now ... its just worthless. There's no progression and its watered down for fun... you cant learn shyt from it or evolve
It would be like going to college but they just give you 5th grade math books and have a pizza party every day

 

[Greenhornet]

and to that rolling stones and nine inch nails point

sounds will evolve but good music doesnt
shyt thats certified will always be certified

both of those bands were huge and had a niche audience and will always have that

this goes back to actually playing instruments and learning music... you would have to learn and start somewhere to be able to do what you do
now you can just download drum packs and sample youtube instead of vinyl shopping and press buttons.... have the drum machine quantize shyt onto the grid
and keep hitting shyt until you get what you want ... you dont have to look up and study techniques to learn shyt anymore

back in the day there was no music classes or books... you bought an instrument and kept rewinding the tape and learning the song one note at a time over and over
and you had to appreciate what you were learning because they were the blueprint for you to grow.

 

[bnew]

They say the war between the generations is the one war in which everyone changes sides eventually.

For me one of the great pleasures in music is putting young people on to old tunes they haven’t heard before, but just as good is seeing a talented young artist come through with hunger and expressing themselves for the first time. Like this debut freestyle from Dave at age 16, he had nothing but a pad, a pen, an old Eminem beat and a burning sense of injustice:

If you’re looking for real spitters we got plenty out in the UK still

dope shyt