There's a generation gap in hip hop and its the old heads who are in denial about it.

[smokeurobinson]

I dapped you but let's be real Steve just don't like hip-hop. If he talks about "Sugar Hill Gang was the great hip-hop until the late 80s hip-hop so I can't stand them" then you have a point in your thread. Steve just don't like Hip-Hop at all. Steve always shytting on Hip-Hop then he mentioned Pusha T on his show and talked shyt at Pusha T cause Pusha T talks about him in the song that diss Drake's father that he dresses like Steve, etc.

Also, you have to remember Steve has Lady of Rage on his show in 90s. In his class was all about Jazz/Blues and low-key shytty on hip-hop but let's them kids have it.

My dude. You my friend are the perfect example of someone in denial.....I dont know why u still holding on to Steve to prove a point when in Post #27 I already broke down that Hip Hop in the 70's is totally different from hip hop in 2010's to the point that saying different genres dont count is cancelled due to the fact that Hip Hop is literally 2 different worlds 40 years later. Plus Funk Master Flex once pointed out that 70's hip hop heads looked at 90's Hip Hop a type of way at one point. So the generation gap in hip hop started over 2 decades ago. But I'll do u one better. Since u so stuck on this "U cant compare different genres" nonesense...... Here's Melly Mel in 2005 admitting to the generation gap that you seem to be in denial of....He says it right here...He's from the late 70's and Its 2005 and He doesn't understand 50 Cent and Eminem. Mel states that the Hip Hop that has dope selling and violence isn't his type of Hip Hop...Yet thats the hip hop u and I were raised on.

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[Evil Grandson]

old nikkas rockin fubu in 2019 just upset. let the youngins rock with what's put out. It's their time. It's their culture. Move on and find shyt you like.



As a young nikka, I can say i like rap from every decade (besides pre 94). Yall just moan and bytch. There's so much dope music this decade and quite a few talented rappers.

 

[Methodical]

My dude. You my friend are the perfect example of someone in denial.....I dont know why u still holding on to Steve to prove a point when in Post #27 I already broke down that Hip Hop in the 70's is totally different from hip hop in 2010's to the point that saying different genres dont count is cancelled due to the fact that Hip Hop is literally 2 different worlds 40 years later. Plus Funk Master Flex once pointed out that 70's hip hop heads looked at 90's Hip Hop a type of way at one point. So the generation gap in hip hop started over 2 decades ago. But I'll do u one better. Since u so stuck on this "U cant compare different genres" nonesense...... Here's Melly Mel in 2005 admitting to the generation gap that you seem to be in denial of....He says it right here...He's from the late 70's and Its 2005 and He doesn't understand 50 Cent and Eminem. Mel states that the Hip Hop that has dope selling and violence isn't his type of Hip Hop...Yet thats the hip hop u and I were raised on.

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Okay, I get it now. I see your point. I'm glad you posted that video and I can see where they're coming from but they're still supporting hip-hop like they mentioned Public Enemy that they got loved for them unlike 50 Cent/Eminem talks about shoot somebody,beat the wife up, sell the drugs to the black community, etc.

It's hard to explain, the problem with hip-hop is getting worse. The capitalism has destroyed that stuff and the art of from, it ain’t worth the money, it ain’t worth the time . A lot the top talent doesn’t have the connections necessary to make it, the ones who do sell out. Pursue your art and die in poverty? Or give people what they want (or think they want) and enjoy wealth for yourself and multiple generations to come. 50 Cent was hunger but once he got money so he stopped give a fukk about hip-hop. Eminem does care about hip-hop but sick of his label told him what to do which is why he makes a song, "The Way I Am", etc. In any music genres I don't expect music to return to anything remotely good anytime soon. It's utter trash right now I can say the same thing about tv series, movies, video game, etc. The more I think about it so it's the NOSTALGIA

I also guarantee people in 70s were asking how awesome the 50s were with movies like On the Waterfront, Ben-hur, Vertigo, the Apartment, Rear Window, North by Northwest, etc. Likewise with music too - 50s had Elvis, Dean Martin, Hank Williams, Frank Sinatra, Ray Charles, Johnny Cash, etc. Same with painters. You don't appreciate it until it's gone and you look back in nostalgia.

 

[Shadow King]

This has never not been the case.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Okay, I get it now. I see your point. I'm glad you posted that video and I can see where they're coming from but they're still supporting hip-hop like they mentioned Public Enemy that they got loved for them unlike 50 Cent/Eminem talks about shoot somebody,beat the wife up, sell the drugs to the black community, etc.

It's hard to explain, the problem with hip-hop is getting worse. The capitalism has destroyed that stuff and the art of from, it ain’t worth the money, it ain’t worth the time . A lot the top talent doesn’t have the connections necessary to make it, the ones who do sell out. Pursue your art and die in poverty? Or give people what they want (or think they want) and enjoy wealth for yourself and multiple generations to come. 50 Cent was hunger but once he got money so he stopped give a fukk about hip-hop. Eminem does care about hip-hop but sick of his label told him what to do which is why he makes a song, "The Way I Am", etc. In any music genres I don't expect music to return to anything remotely good anytime soon. It's utter trash right now I can say the same thing about tv series, movies, video game, etc. The more I think about it so it's the NOSTALGIA

I also guarantee people in 70s were asking how awesome the 50s were with movies like On the Waterfront, Ben-hur, Vertigo, the Apartment, Rear Window, North by Northwest, etc. Likewise with music too - 50s had Elvis, Dean Martin, Hank Williams, Frank Sinatra, Ray Charles, Johnny Cash, etc. Same with painters. You don't appreciate it until it's gone and you look back in nostalgia.

I'm almost positive that Mel was being cordial and didnt wanna come off like a complete hater....I honestly think he was pulling back because Mel in future interviews has gone so hard at Jay Z and 50 that I truly believe he hated the new millennial rappers.


But that thing u said about nostalgia....All this current music u are critical of will be nostagia for the kids.....Lil Baby, Gunna YBN Cordae, Maxo Cream....All these current rappers will be nostalgia for the kids when they get older. And just like you said " you don't appreciate it until it's gone"...This current era will be nostalgia for you too in 20 years.....Like for me, the ringtone era was an era we were critical of but that era reminds me of when my son was a littlke kid so it brings back good memories. Tekashi 69 and Trippie Red reminds me of when my step daughters started playing ball in the rec center late 2017.....So when i look back 20 years from now , that too will be part of the soundtrack of good memories. Just like it will be for you in 20 years. You hating now but when u 60 years old looking back on 2019 you gonna switch up....Watch.

 

[kingofnyc]

Something I noticed online and offline.




In 1999, 20 years ago, Steve Harvey did this bit shytting on golden age hip hop. Refers to his era of the 70's (20 years prior) as when music was "real music." According to Steve what we considered golden era hip hop wasn't real music. In 2019 all these hip hop old heads sound exactly like Steve did 20 years ago...... "My era was the real thing...this era isn't"

But you wanna know who isnt complaining? The kids.



Some fool in denial will say "Comparing 70's R&B to 90's Hip Hop" aint the same"......yes it is. Because you being caught up in the standard of yesteryears hip hop is the the same as the previous 70's generation looking at not playing instruments and sampling records as not being real music. The audience laughing at Steve shytting on golden era hip hop is the same as current old heads coming together now to shyt on this era of hip hop.

Steve saying:
'40 people on the stage, all of them have a mic....why? We dont understand what one of u is saying" = Current old head complaining about the mumble rap era

gotta respectfully disagree

Steve Harvey (traditional R&B) & someone like the late Sam Kinison (traditional Rock) both being extremely critical of this new type of music called hip hop ; 2 decades ago is TOTALLY different from an old head like me criticizing current hip hop = fukk shyt

its apples to oranges
hip hop is completely different from them other 2 genres of music

 

[smokeurobinson]

gotta respectfully disagree

Steve Harvey (traditional R&B) & someone like the late Sam Kinison (traditional Rock) both being extremely critical of this new type of music called hip hop ; 2 decades ago is TOTALLY different from an old head like me criticizing current hip hop = fukk shyt

its apples to oranges
hip hop is completely different from them other 2 genres of music

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[GiantGonzalez]

It’s like the that with everything in life music, movies, trends everyone thinks whatever was poppin when they were in their prime is the best. It’s probably because your brain relates it too nostalgia and a time when your life was better/ simpler

 

[Wacky D]

It is the same. I already explained why it has nothing to do with the different genres. U bringing up people in your age range getting into rap late is you changing the topic from the generation gap to try to prove a point that has nothing to do with the original topic. I'm not talking about adults...I'm talking about the kids vs adults.



And since u didnt catch it the first time let me explain why you can compare someone being critical of 70's R&B to 90's Rap to that of someone being critical of 90's rap vs now rap( a lie you made up to stir your argument). Because the standards of rap music are all together different to begin with. 70's Hip Hop is totally different from 2010's Hip Hop. There is absolutely no way you can grade 2010's Hip Hop on a 70's curve...its impossible. Thats why u are wrong. The DJ is no longer the star of the show, the rapper is. We dont pass tapes around anymore. We dont have to wait for a certain time on a specific radio station for rap music anymore. There was a stronger emphasis on what was considered "wack." Funk Master Flex confirmed it years ago...there was a time were you heard about someone like Grand Master Flash but u didnt know what he looked like. I myself didnt know what Doug E Fresh looked like until years after his debut. We not in those times anymore.Now u can just Google a rappers name and see a bunch of his/her pics. In the 90's I used to steal tapes from HMV and I evetually got caught....In 2010's I 've stolen a shyt load of music from the internet and the cops have yet to knock on my door. In the 80's, Fresh Prince was not someone I had easy access to communicating with but just last week I had a back and forth conversation with Saigon on social media. I can download programs , hit up some Youtube beatmakers and make a whole album on my laptop....I dont have to go to a professional studio. I dont have to have mt song played on radio like back in the day....Now I can be famous on Youtube or soundcloud. The standards of yesteryears Hip Hop are not the same as todays standards. So u are wrong.

i'd say thjs era is more about the beats than the rapper, so its not a far cry from the '70s when the DJ was the focal point.

the rest of this seems like youre talking about the lack of passion that exists in today's hip-hop fan. if that's your point, then I agree.