There’s a serious war going on right now regarding Kamala Harris blackness and her lineage

[Reece]

I would hope no one is calling you a cac or attacking you for supporting her, she does have some redeeming qualities despite the things that have pushed me not to support her in the primaries.

I think the majority of her opposition on here has been measured and based on her past political and judicial record as opposed to her racial makeup or anything that falls under “identity politics” I also haven’t read anything that was particularly “disrespectful” being aimed at her in this thread.

I can understand the arguments against her political and judicial record, though she's between a rock and a hard place as prosecutors are there to prosecute but, I can at least understand the argument. Where people lose me is the racial shyt. You have to read the entire thread. There was a lot of disrespect being thrown her way. Its the twilight zone in here. Dudes calling themselves pro-black and militant but, attacking the only black woman in the race because her ancestors come from an island rather than the states, just to go support a white candidate and not give the same level of vitriol to them or the other white candidates running

 

[Cel 510 kid ados forever]

I can understand the arguments against her political and judicial record, though she's between a rock and a hard place as prosecutors are there to prosecute but, I can at least understand the argument. Where people lose me is the racial shyt. You have to read the entire thread. There was a lot of disrespect being thrown her way. Its the twilight zone in here. Dudes calling themselves pro-black and militant but, attacking the only black woman in the race because her ancestors come from an island rather than the states, just to go support a white candidate and not give the same level of vitriol to them or the other white candidates running

She not african american and they Are calling her that its disrespect to ados blacks.

We cant be called jamacian anywhere.

She can't be African American not tied to jim crow ir slavery

 

[Reece]

She not african american and they Are calling her that its disrespect to ados blacks.

We cant be called jamacian anywhere.

She can't be African American not tied to jim crow ir slavery

On the census, we don't list white people as "British-American" or "Norwegian-American". They're categorized as White-American.

England has a healthy black populace. They aren't categorized as "Jamaican-British" or "Nigerian-British" on the census. They're categorized as Black British.

She literally is an African American. We don't get to trademark the terms Black or African American, just because we don't have a true country to call home. White people aren't tripping off white people from other countries. Most of their population came here from 1870 to 1940 from the waves of Europeans seeking a new life in America. How often do you hear white people tripping because one can't trace their heritage back to the Mayflower or because they don't have a WASP background. They include them all in. You can still push for reparations and policies to benefit #ADOS without being disrespectful to our black brothers and sisters in the diaspora. It's silly and divisive to be that disrespectful to someone with our skintone just because they come from a different place, especially seeing as 90% of Nigerians, Ghanaians, Jamaicans and other Africans and Caribbeans are going to end up up being absorbed into the greater Black community in the end anyway. And if you're upset because you don't feel that Kamala is not going to push for reparations, one, you don't know what she's going to do if she gets in office nor do you know what the political landscape will look like with another black person in the White House or the momentum that will bring throughout Washington. Two, there's no guarantee that a #ADOS politician would be for reparations either. There are TONS of black people out here who don't agree with it. See Cory Booker. And three, maybe right now is not the time for Reparations. It doesn't mean that we won't get Reparations. I'm sure in our lifetimes we will. But, the real goal is to get Trump out of office and to return back to normalcy. Not to threaten to not vote to force something through when our votes are desperately needed to get Trump out. If black people don't come out there is a very real possibility Trump is re-elected and we are going to be fukked. He's already done considerable damage in four years. We will be on an extremely destructive path if he gets another term.

 

[Cel 510 kid ados forever]

On the census, we don't list white people as "British-American" or "Norwegian-American". They're categorized as White-American.

England has a healthy black populace. They aren't categorized as "Jamaican-British" or "Nigerian-British" on the census. They're categorized as Black British.

She literally is an African American. We don't get to trademark the terms Black or African American, just because we don't have a true country to call home. White people aren't tripping off white people from other countries. Most of their population came here from 1870 to 1940 from the waves of Europeans seeking a new life in America. How often do you hear white people tripping because one can't trace their heritage back to the Mayflower or because they don't have a WASP background. They include them all in. You can still push for reparations and policies to benefit #ADOS without being disrespectful to our black brothers and sisters in the diaspora. It's silly and divisive to be that disrespectful to someone with our skintone just because they come from a different place, especially seeing as 90% of Nigerians, Ghanaians, Jamaicans and other Africans and Caribbeans are going to end up up being absorbed into the greater Black community in the end anyway. And if you're upset because you don't feel that Kamala is not going to push for reparations, one, you don't know what she's going to do if she gets in office nor do you know what the political landscape will look like with another black person in the White House or the momentum that will bring throughout Washington. Two, there's no guarantee that a #ADOS politician would be for reparations either. There are TONS of black people out here who don't agree with it. See Cory Booker. And three, maybe right now is not the time for Reparations. It doesn't mean that we won't get Reparations. I'm sure in our lifetimes we will. But, the real goal is to get Trump out of office and to return back to normalcy. Not to threaten to not vote to force something through when our votes are desperately needed to get Trump out. If black people don't come out there is a very real possibility Trump is re-elected and we are going to be fukked. He's already done considerable damage in four years. We will be on an extremely destructive path if he gets another term.

We need a black agenda for ados blacks we not worried about getting trump or whoever out not without a agenda.

She jamacian indian and calling herself african ameri can or ados foh she needs to be who she is and not use us when convient. Folks want her to be who she is

 

[Reece]

We need a black agenda for ados blacks we not worried about getting trump or whoever out not without a agenda.

She jamacian indian and calling herself african ameri can or ados foh she needs to be who she is and not use us when convient. Folks want her to be who she is

That's incredibly short sighted. Trump has picked multiple conservative judges for the Supreme Court. This is a LIFETIME appointment. The Republicans being in office have emboldened certain states to try to overturn Roe v. Wade. Trump's tariff wars with China could launch us into a Recession. Trump appointing lunatics like Bolton was criticized by many as they said he would try to go to war with Iran, and now we are having serious tensions with Iran (THIS IS BAD). Trump put us deeper into debt with the corporate tax cuts, that did nothing to stimulate growth and only further increased the wealth gap. Trump is out here locking little babies up, separating them from their parents and letting them die in mysterious circumstances when there's a hundred better ways to effectively handle illegal immigration. Trump pulled out of the Paris Agreement when all scientists and climate change experts agree that we have less than ten years before we do irrevocable damage to the planet (THIS IS BAD). Trump appointed someone who's sued the EPA for the last twenty years to run the EPA someone with ties to the oil industry to run the organization that oversees environmental protection This is everything that I can recite by memory but, there are hundreds of things he's done that will have long term effects for us. We cannot let him go another four years.

 

[eXodus]

On the census, we don't list white people as "British-American" or "Norwegian-American". They're categorized as White-American.

England has a healthy black populace. They aren't categorized as "Jamaican-British" or "Nigerian-British" on the census. They're categorized as Black British.

She literally is an African American. We don't get to trademark the terms Black or African American, just because we don't have a true country to call home. White people aren't tripping off white people from other countries. Most of their population came here from 1870 to 1940 from the waves of Europeans seeking a new life in America. How often do you hear white people tripping because one can't trace their heritage back to the Mayflower or because they don't have a WASP background. They include them all in. You can still push for reparations and policies to benefit #ADOS without being disrespectful to our black brothers and sisters in the diaspora. It's silly and divisive to be that disrespectful to someone with our skintone just because they come from a different place, especially seeing as 90% of Nigerians, Ghanaians, Jamaicans and other Africans and Caribbeans are going to end up up being absorbed into the greater Black community in the end anyway. And if you're upset because you don't feel that Kamala is not going to push for reparations, one, you don't know what she's going to do if she gets in office nor do you know what the political landscape will look like with another black person in the White House or the momentum that will bring throughout Washington. Two, there's no guarantee that a #ADOS politician would be for reparations either. There are TONS of black people out here who don't agree with it. See Cory Booker. And three, maybe right now is not the time for Reparations. It doesn't mean that we won't get Reparations. I'm sure in our lifetimes we will. But, the real goal is to get Trump out of office and to return back to normalcy. Not to threaten to not vote to force something through when our votes are desperately needed to get Trump out. If black people don't come out there is a very real possibility Trump is re-elected and we are going to be fukked. He's already done considerable damage in four years. We will be on an extremely destructive path if he gets another term.

I agree with you brother, it is important that we vote trump out of the White House. If she is on the democratic ticket, for that reason I will vote for her. But let me be Clear also about the part that I made red...

It is absolutely time for reparations! It was 100 years too late when Brother MLK Jr was preparing to make his push for them in the 60s.. it is time and has been time and it’s an absolute crime against humanity that it has not happened yet and continues to even be a question.

I’m doing fine, but I see the masses of my brothers and sisters suffering and not getting sufficient educations here in Baltimore... DONT EVEN HAVE HEAT in these mostly black student occupied schools some winters,and it’s the same story across many many states.

The damage they did through Slavery, then the AUDACITY to give Europe’s immigrants and former slave owners land.. subjecting blacks to serfdom in the late 1800s essentially just a CONTINUATION OF SLAVERY , since a man can not leave the land when the books are cooked to always have you in debt to the very same man who enslaved your father.. not much different.

Giving the land taken in the Confiscation Act of 1862, RIGHT BACK TO the heirs of the confederates!

I’m with you on getting trump out but we’ve been in hell, most of our families for over 300 years here in America... we’ll survive nonetheless.. we survived all that I just mention.. we survived when they used death squads to Lynch our messiahs, our powerful leaders, like Fred Hampton... when such a beautiful movement of empowerment could’ve continued to uplift sooo many into the late 20th century, they cut short out of bigotry and hatred.

We survived all of that, so please have some empathy when some of our ADOS brothers and sisters take a stance saying...

“We suffered waaaaay worse in this country for centuries, if something isn’t done for us SPECIFICALLY after all these years in the grand scheme of American political and economic positioning... well damnit, I’m not supporting any politician and we all can suffer a little bit more for a little bit longer until we get our due!”

 

[eXodus]

That's incredibly short sighted. Trump has picked multiple conservative judges for the Supreme Court. This is a LIFETIME appointment. The Republicans being in office have emboldened certain states to try to overturn Roe v. Wade. Trump's tariff wars with China could launch us into a Recession. Trump appointing lunatics like Bolton was criticized by many as they said he would try to go to war with Iran, and now we are having serious tensions with Iran (THIS IS BAD). Trump put us deeper into debt with the corporate tax cuts, that did nothing to stimulate growth and only further increased the wealth gap. Trump is out here locking little babies up, separating them from their parents and letting them die in mysterious circumstances when there's a hundred better ways to effectively handle illegal immigration. Trump pulled out of the Paris Agreement when all scientists and climate change experts agree that we have less than ten years before we do irrevocable damage to the planet (THIS IS BAD). Trump appointed someone who's sued the EPA for the last twenty years to run the EPA someone with ties to the oil industry to run the organization that oversees environmental protection This is everything that I can recite by memory but, there are hundreds of things he's done that will have long term effects for us. We cannot let him go another four years.

I agree the position is rather parochial but I’m confident that if we didn’t get reparations this cycle, and never got an opportunity to right that wrong .. and we never revisited the idea of reparations on the American political stage...the majority of ethic groups and lineages in this world not bat a lash and continue to look themselves in the mirror every morning without any weight on their moral consciousness.

I mean it essentially has been then way for 154 years.. how many people have came and went in that time, and there hasn’t been another moral consciousness amongst all of those living souls to do what’s absolutely right for black people in America.

 

[HarlemHottie]

I played sports with plenty of ADOS growing up so I think they'd disagree with you.

How does that relate to this conversation, tho?

 

[HarlemHottie]

On the census, we don't list white people as "British-American" or "Norwegian-American". They're categorized as White-American.

England has a healthy black populace. They aren't categorized as "Jamaican-British" or "Nigerian-British" on the census. They're categorized as Black British.

She literally is an African American. We don't get to trademark the terms Black or African American, just because we don't have a true country to call home.

Do you see where your logic failed? That would make her black American, not AA. All that other shyt about disrespect is nonsense. You got newbies out here telling us how we should SELF- identify. Is that not the height of disrespect?

People in here were blaming other black Americans that weren't ADOS which I think is completely wrong.

It's not blame. It's disappointment. Yall can't see how the white man is using yall? As a group, #ADOS has concluded that yall ain't stupid, yall know exactly what's going on, and would like to maintain the status quo. We not with it. If you're an ally, you still don't qualify for US reparations, but cool. If not, kick rocks. You can't fault that stance. Self preservation is a natural instinct.

 

[Back4The1stTime]

How one was raised and who they marry speaks volumes. I don't know her personally to say if she is black or not but the feeling of distrust a lot blacks get when they look at her is real. Most black people will not vote for someone just because they are black now. Black candidates have to come with some substance. Harris is building her campaign on helping immigrants, not black people (not surprise coming from someone with a white spouse). I mean Kim Kardashian is doing more for black people than Harris right now. She drew her line in the sand, so black people will respond accordingly.

 

[Reece]

Do you see where your logic failed? That would make her black American, not AA. All that other shyt about disrespect is nonsense. You got newbies out here telling us how we should SELF- identify. Is that not the height of disrespect?

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How? White American is interchangeable with European/Caucasian American the same way Black is interchangeable with African American. That’s semantics. What makes me or you African American but excludes Kamala from being one? Just because we do not have a homeland (which is the only reason why we go by the catch all term of African American) doesn’t mean we get to trademark the categorization. She’s descended from Africans and she’s an American citizen. Thus she’s African American. End of story. Now if we wanna start saying African American that’s ADOS as a distinction then okay.

 

[HarlemHottie]

How? White American is interchangeable with European/Caucasian American the same way Black is interchangeable with African American. That’s semantics. What makes me or you African American but excludes Kamala from being one? Just because we do not have a homeland (which is the only reason why we go by the catch all term of African American) doesn’t mean we get to trademark the categorization. She’s descended from Africans and she’s an American citizen. Thus she’s African American. End of story. Now if we wanna start saying African American that’s ADOS then okay.

Nobody has ever said European-American or Caucasian-American, stop. The term is white American bc they, like foreign blacks, know exactly where they come from and thus refer to themselves as specific country- American. She does not descend from some amorphous group of Africans, she descends from Jamaicans and Indians and should therefore be id'd as a Jamaican- American, Indian- American, or some combination thereof.

Yall just be talking, saying complete and total nonsense like it's facts.

 

[kayslay]

No it's not the entire black vote. The HBCU crowd is just one segment. Then you have the BGLO crowd that extends beyond HBCUs. Then you have what I mentioned here...



Let's say that's an additional 10%. Now what percentage of the black community would you say is influenced by the above 30%? Let's be conservative and say another 20%. I would add that percentage to the voting block which comes out to about 50% of black voting power. That is substantial. And it isn't too far off because if you look at 2017 income statistics, 53% of African Americans are middle class or above.



Her ignoring concerns maybe true. But any determined person or group will do what they need to do to make her listen.

But you should stop with the sweeping generalizations. John Conyers is Boule and well.......

Since 1989, Conyers’—a lawyer and ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee—has repeatedly introduced—HR. 40

Rep. John Conyers hopes Americans are finally ready to talk about reparations



It's all about money. AKA gets bragging rights, which increases their prestige, which increases their members, which increases their wallets.

Just so they can turn around and give free money to cover the cost of underserved ADOS trying to attend their post-secondary educational pursuits, among other things that the AKA foundation does.

They dont have any bragging rights because they haven’t done much in the eyes of Black America.
They are no way near 50% of the Black electorate.
The over inflation of importance is exactly why most ADOS don't fukk with none if that shyt. What is the purpose of the BGLOs if they aren’t making life better for ADOS?
I don't know what the Divine Nine and etc have morphed into but I can assure ADOS is not falling for the BS so they can have some chump ass bragging rights and no real power .

 

[Reece]

Nobody has ever said European-American or Caucasian-American, stop. The term is white American bc they, like foreign blacks, know exactly where they come from and thus refer to themselves as specific country- American. She does not descend from some amorphous group of Africans, she descends from Jamaicans and Indians and should therefore be id'd as a Jamaican- American, Indian- American, or some combination thereof.

Yall just be talking, saying complete and total nonsense like it's facts.

European Americans - Wikipedia

White Americans - Wikipedia

U.S. Census definition[edit]
The term "White American" can encompass many different ethnic groups. Although the United States Census purports to reflect a social definition of race, the social dimensions of race are more complex than Census criteria. The 2000 U.S. census states that racial categories "generally reflect a social definition of race recognized in this country. They do not conform to any biological, anthropological or genetic criteria."[14]

The Census question on race lists the categories White or European American, Black or African American, American Indian and Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander, Asian, plus "Some other race", with the respondent having the ability to mark more than one racial and or ethnic category. The Census Bureau defines White people as follows:

"White" refers to a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East or North Africa. It includes people who indicated their race(s) as "White" or reported entries such as German, Italian, Lebanese, Arab, Moroccan, or Caucasian.[5]

Says European American right there. Caucasian/White/European American are all used. White American is just the most common categorization.

We're arguing to argue but you want to monopolize the entire continent of Africa THE ONLY REASON WHY WE ARE CALLED "AFRICAN AMERICANS" IS BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE AN OFFICIAL ANCESTRAL LAND TO CALL OURS. THIS DOES NOT MEAN OTHER BLACK ETHNIC GROUPS DO NOT QUALIFY TO BE AN AFRICAN AMERICAN. ITS INHERENTLY A BROAD CATEGORY. THAT'S WHY IT WAS USED If you take a Chinese American, a Korean American and a Japanese American....they are all Asian Americans. No one is more Asian American than the others They are all Americans with heritage from the continent of Asia Likewise, we do not own the term "African American". It had to be used because due to being stolen away from Africa, being cut off from our culture and being a mixture of multiple African nationalities and ethnicities, back then, no one knew exactly where we came from. Start going by #ADOS if you wanna have your own distinction because factually, we're all Black/African Americans.

 

[HarlemHottie]

Says European American right there. Caucasian/White/European American are all used. White American is just the most common categorization.

We're arguing to argue but you want to monopolize the entire continent of Africa THE ONLY REASON WHY WE ARE CALLED "AFRICAN AMERICANS" IS BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE AN OFFICIAL ANCESTRAL LAND TO CALL OURS. THIS DOES NOT MEAN OTHER BLACK ETHNIC GROUPS DO NOT QUALIFY TO BE AN AFRICAN AMERICAN. ITS INHERENTLY A BROAD CATEGORY. THAT'S WHY IT WAS USED If you take a Chinese American, a Korean American and a Japanese American....they are all Asian Americans. No one is more Asian American than the others They are all Americans with heritage from the continent of Asia Likewise, we do not own the term "African American". It had to be used because due to being stolen away from Africa, being cut off from our culture and being a mixture of multiple African nationalities and ethnicities, back then, no one knew exactly where we came from. Start going by #ADOS if you wanna have your own distinction because factually, we're all Black/African Americans.

We're talking about self- identification, right? Well, when asked (and this is from your link)

In 1995, as part of a review of the Office of Management and Budget's Statistical Policy Directive No. 15 (Race and Ethnic Standards for Federal Statistics and Administrative Reporting), a survey was conducted of census recipients to determine their preferred terminology for the racial/ethnic groups defined in the Directive. For the White group, European American came third, preferred by 2.35% of panel interviewees.[13]

Also from wiki.

The term typically refers to descendants of enslaved black people who are from the United States...

According to U.S. Census Bureau data, African immigrants generally do not self-identify as African American. The overwhelming majority of African immigrants identify instead with their own respective ethnicities (≈95%).[13] Immigrants from some Caribbean, Central American and South American nations and their descendants may or may not also self-identify with the term

African Americans - Wikipedia

Compare and contrast those percentages. Thanks. White Americans don't want to be called European- Americans and black immigrants don't want to be called African American (until we got a reparations movement going).