These lil nikkas have no respect for the history of the genre

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I don't disagree with your bottom line. But dig -

I'm not even a rapper - but if a nicca put on the muthafuccin' Who's The Boss theme song, imma rock that muthafuccin' chit -
just so fools can know i'm ill like that.

We from that era of microphone fiends. To paraphrase Cam, we don't gotta do this chit, we just do because we nice.
I can't fathom how a dude who gets to do it for a living doesn't have the fervor.

That I agree with, if you want to be a rapper, then rap. You can't say you are a great basketball player but only demand to play inside a specific gym. If it's got a rim you shoot, if there is a beat, you rap....

At first I was thinking it's stupid for me to expect a rapper to know how to get his point across with words well.......but they get paid to do this so they should. No reason to give them a pass for any of it.
 

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That I agree with, if you want to be a rapper, then rap. You can't say you are a great basketball player but only demand to play inside a specific gym. If it's got a rim you shoot, if there is a beat, you rap....

At first I was thinking it's stupid for me to expect a rapper to know how to get his point across with words well.......but they get paid to do this so they should. No reason to give them a pass for any of it.

True. At the same time, you're not going to coach the game of a player like Curry with a 30 year old playbook that predates the 3 point line... Music always moves in new directions, as do the expectations on the artists. It might not be for the better or it might be... In this case, Hip Hop has definitely been appropriated by pop and the artists that are out these days are for the most part pop artists. Ultimately though that might lead to something more revolutionary than Hip Hop, you never know.
 

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i don't know the nikkas catalog like that but he's nice

this is when the nikka was 16


It's derivative but that's what you would expect from someone his age at the time anyway. His new material is still derivative imo though, he needs to carve out his own lane quick.

 

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I'd bump K-Rino before most of these new artists
 

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who looks for usefulness in lyrics? go read a book
its entertainment.

:snoop:Some of us still value meaning in lyrics and aren't content with idiotic ramblings. I grew up when Pac, Scarface, Nas, Outkast, Cube, KRS, etc. were in their primes. Thank God!

Hip Hop was more than just some dumb entertainment. There was insight and intelligence. If you don't value that then you're a true dumb ass. Not much more I can tell you.
There's a reason Bob Marley and Marvin Gaye will be revered for years, while most of today's artists make songs ready for the :trash: in a few years.
 

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:snoop:Some of us still value meaning in lyrics and aren't content with idiotic ramblings. I grew up when Pac, Scarface, Nas, Outkast, Cube, KRS, etc. were in their primes. Thank God!

Hip Hop was more than just some dumb entertainment. There was insight and intelligence. If you don't value that then you're a true dumb ass. Not much more I can tell you.
There's a reason Bob Marley and Marvin Gaye will be revered for years, while today's artists make songs ready for the :trash: in a few years.

That didn't really go anywhere though.
 

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Thug uses real rhyme patterns, though...like the "panamera w/ the tinted roof, all my nikkas dogs goin roof...bytch is only average...top notch shorty-you recordin-in an attic..." I saw the technicality in that. He has glimpses. I've NEVER heard vert do anything of the sort, sneaking in technical flows. Maybe Thugger did it by accident.


Young thug does not rhyme well at all from a technical perspective.
He sings the words and changes the actual inflection of the word and only rhymes the last sound.
which is not rhyming cause he is singing.
He has no technical aptitude past one syllable sound which is not emcee'n he is singing.
That is why the bpm's are slow and what he makes is the equivalent of industrial genre music with a black guy making black mainstream influenced wordplay sung to a slow 808 beat.
It is just he can not sing and rnb keeps trying to be as masculine as possible while trying to appear as rap.
Originally when this genre popped up it had actual rhymes being made which was an actual mixtape play on covering an rnb record and then that style of record being made into sonically a genre.
that concretely we know is techno meets nin industrial progressive rnb.
Originally it seemed as though we were watching a progressive hook based sellable commodity in rap.
where the rapper would not need to have an accompanying guest feature.
to legally be seen as as a real rap and rnb based hybrid.
With an actual real emcee who would be believeable.
as both an advanced emcee and then if needed do the melody based hooks.
on a cultural based album and not lose convincability culturally.
As time has progressed the genre is basically revealing itself to be overly processed emo feminine masculine rnb.
That is as close to nin from 1994 being made with the 808 punch of closer with a black guy changing the words around in horrorcore people under the stairs real world meets a Romero apocalypse.
Or basically reality horror core based slant on bone Mr ouiji board mo murder biter driven direction on steroids.
Where the actual zombies are sentient morphine laced human beings of any race. all entranced like a nineties rave with a weirdo druggie black guy.
With that said people who are black need to come to grips.
they listening to what is essentially black industrial rock music.
All called trap music, erroneously.
Especially, if we look at the background of where it came from.
It is all labeled trap music to give it that hiphopinfinity fard meets trying to be cool to black people based bullshyt all gon awry in every racial spectrum all using Pac clone war based emo semantics gon outta wack.
Then narcissistically applied to any and every direction it can realistically culture thief and not be called out on it.
All because most of the people in the press for the genre are posers in hiphop trying to pretend.
So, trying to send everyone off like they discovered some secret rap song that is next level.
When it is outdated black guy makes rock music because
That critic is in all actuality white and a gateway listener to rap and an complete actual outsider to what the culture of hiphop actually is.
Like most white people were who subscribed to hiphopinfinity.com based semantics.
to appear relevent did close to twenty years ago come 1997-99 or so.
Yet, now those same young black people who also did not have good receptability to hiphop.
as a culture also subscribed to these style semantics in rebellion to hiphop as a culture as well.
So, now it spins out of control till both groups find a style of music to latch onto.
In its beginning stages of pr relevancy.
Where the music mirrors and b*stardized bone and snypaz music just like rock b*stardized blues.
It is just like when new metal came back.
but originally had rap elements and was backed by incredible bands.
To then the bands that kept going solidifed new metal as a melody based genre.
If you focus in on bands like deftones, to audio slave to mars voltra from at the drive in.
Who are also def American or def jam marketed style artist as well.
Plus this type of music is being pushed heavily by a white person with no cultural or moral aptitude as well.

Where some white person found out how to re-establish payola and manager meets full executive conflict of interest.
from publishing to record sales and even actual appearances of any type like back in the rock big hair band ending era.
Except now white execs have fully infiltrated and seized full control of every layer of entertainment.
till no profit can ever be attained by a smaller lesser resources entity of any type.
To the point you will have to be a publically traded company to afford and finance the Art house marketing jingle writing wing.
to ever produce and profit off any work of music you ever create.

So, we might as well start saying these nikkaz is rock n roll artist.
how they were back when chuck berry first appeared and had an entire genre of music stolen in name and execution.
as it is obvious this shyt is not hiphop.
As it violates every aspect culturally of being a bboy and bboys do not allow that shyt at all.
So, culturally they are outta there, as far as hiphop is concerned.
We know where the genre of music originates from and the culture it b*stardizes and real talk.
rock n roll is when white people steal black music and b*stardize it beyond recognition from a number of layers.
Plus , this shyt sounds just like some tricky meets nin type shyt and is completely emo.

So, this shyt has to be black industrial music as far as I am concerned.
It can't be rap cause they don't and can not rap.
Rap is not the slodge pit of creativity like white people like to insinuate rap is.
Rock n roll is the genre of slodge pit bullshyt.
white people stole in name to b*stardize and steal black music from.
This shyt is financed by a white person who culturally all the time is trying to take rap music and make it resemble the business and feel of white big hair stadium based rock and strip clubs, in a black people meets white snake video ideal
These nikkaz they employ is against everything cultural any black culture is about from rap to reggae.
It is filled with the weirdos of the race.
where they can dress up and be them and nobody gives a fukk.
Seems like some type of emo black industrial music to me.

Picks up right where tricky and goldie could never really go in content direction wise.
Or actual rhyming talent coupled with melody manipulation.
Plus were trapped with the limitation of not having an industrial device called autotune to do the same shyt twenty years ago.

Yet, vybz kartel just did what these guys did not do.
Island has been employing weirdo rock and rap fusion acts for twenty years when they went platinum too.
So, this shyt is just rock semantics from the big hair band management wing strangle hold of music was like just in the rap genre.
To the point you can build a prison camp of black guys as writers and never teach them about publishing.
All cause you stealing it from them in a bounty as basic jingle writers and voice over artists salaries.
It is a joke really and when people wake up to the fact.
there won't be shyt left for you as an artist after this.
That the creative actual realization of a real skilled emcee will get lost and be morphed into some wack emo drug induced Judy garland entertainment slave type.
in the form of some gay ass overly masculine to compensate weirdo.
Who been molested since they were a kid like we back in the time of tiny Tim and shyt.
Or in the day of Chris stokes or the Ron Perlman.
So prepare for the worst cause the people who have taken over the industry have made black people like rock n roll and they don't eem know it.

Like white rock and roll too.


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:rudy:nikka that shyt is terrible.

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Goddamn that was bad
 

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:snoop:Some of us still value meaning in lyrics and aren't content with idiotic ramblings. I grew up when Pac, Scarface, Nas, Outkast, Cube, KRS, etc. were in their primes. Thank God!

Hip Hop was more than just some dumb entertainment. There was insight and intelligence. If you don't value that then you're a true dumb ass. Not much more I can tell you.
There's a reason Bob Marley and Marvin Gaye will be revered for years, while most of today's artists make songs ready for the :trash: in a few years.

That kid that pops off about old heads and beats he refuse to rap on, will get himself in trouble with the wrong old school dude soon enough. :heh:

I can see him getting stomped out by some Wu Tang stans eventually :laugh:
 

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No, I don't agree...because we have been "the new generation" before!

Matter fact - we may have had it worse, because we were "the new generation" AND we had the nerve to
not be from The Mecca. You think third-tier West Coast acts got to be on the radio in New York in peak time??
They wasn't trying to hear about no 2nd II None! lmao

Hell, MC Breed had the #1 record in the country and he only got interviewed in NY because Erick Sermon
brought him on when he went...now imagine if they woulda put on a beat and he said "I don't wanna rock to that"...

I'm sayin' - we understand it. But the way to deal with that is to prove your worth.
Make them respect your craft.


I would not mention 2nd ii none to make my point.
All cause they did exactly that and that is why they did not get play in the Mecca.
all because they were the original culture thieves of the new school way of thought from the west coast.
who are why west coast acts caught all the flack they got if they got any.
Past that, tho.
You made a great point just shore up the historical facts a bit.
You would disqualify your point in general if I did not know what you meant.
When you brought up a random group.
Just this time your random group was actually the group who actually did the same thing lil Uzi vert did out west and triggered the whole Mecca shuns west coast acts if they violate thing.

Other than, great point about proving your worth but 2ndiinone.
Is/ was the actual group who created not rhyming.
when asked from a west coast perspective, tho.


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