These lil nikkas have no respect for the history of the genre

[FruitOfTheVale]

Thug uses real rhyme patterns, though...like the "panamera w/ the tinted roof, all my nikkas dogs goin roof...bytch is only average...top notch shorty-you recordin-in an attic..." I saw the technicality in that. He has glimpses. I've NEVER heard vert do anything of the sort, sneaking in technical flows. Maybe Thugger did it by accident.

Thug is more consistent now, he's had songs where he's flexed his technicality before though:

 

[Art Barr]

11:18


this trash ass nikka displayed the problem with these up and coming new nikkas.

"if you put on one of those old beats i aint rappin"

bum ass nikka talking about he gone be a rockstar

this nikka name "lil uzi vert"

lil
uzi
vert

he 5'5


get em df outta here gone goto the mecca talking that bullshyt.

LiL Uzi vert = "I have not been rapping that long,...."

That is all you need to know.
Like i said jingle marketing department writers, voice over artist and impressionists.


Art Barr

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

00000000000000000000000000000022


The open space in bpm's are why they have so may socalled flows.
Or really performance which comes from the fact.
these nikkaz use writing pools and the none of them were ever onkey.
when the bpm's were in the sweet spot of emcee'n.
Which is why they have a funny cartoon delivery.
Plus they have slower bpm's because they are not really rapping they are actually singing and just have the r kelly style of lemme fit in with these emcees and not feel out of place.
None of these new guys are really emcees like that.
They are jingle writer pool marketing and communication majors or just a flat out vocal impressionist.
They are not emcees,...they can impersonate the energy people associate with being able to socalled rip it like ripping it Is just one moment or feeling they heard.
When really it is an impression of someone who was a jingle writer or voice over artist who never was an emcee.
The new artist have it misconstrued and don't wanna do the work in any regard.
As they will take being jerked just because they know they are actually con artist based toys who should not be where they are

They know they are milli vanilli meets a wack emcee with it and they just want more troll based wack rappers to be cool with so they never get exposed.

I don't disagree that a number of the "rappers" today have moved more towards being vocalists than being rappers in the classic Hip Hop sense, not all of them though. I definitely agree that few of the rappers being discussed in this thread qualify as emcees, a lot of them are capturing your attention as a listener with style over substance.

The other problem is you got fake accapella rappers acting like battle rappers and can not rap on beat and being given limiting draw and props for being a conman as a battle rapper.
When you supposed to be able to battle to get rid of wack rappers.

Agreed, the battle rapping scene became wack to me a long time ago.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

It's ironic these guys get paid for their words and voice but so few are eloquent.

He shouldn't rap over Mass Appeal. It wouldn't go with his style and honestly, it's a beat a billion people have freestyled on. I get it. I also get he isn't into older music. If I was a rapper I probably wouldn't want to freestyle over 'The Breaks' either....

The problem is he was very disrespectful about it and not receptive at all. The reason is because he is trying too hard to be different. He exposed himself in the interview talking about why he likes Robocop on 808s vs paranoid.

 

[Art Barr]

Even within Vert's subset of trap though a lot of them are actually creating the melodies. Also a lot of the beats they rap over have very little melody and place the melody or lack thereof on the vocalist. For example:



I'm not disagreeing with your point, I disagree with the idea that trap beats are somehow "easier" to conceptualize a rap song over.

This is a rnb song with lean content this is not a rap record.
People continue to try this force md meets r Kelly bullshyt and if you are fooled that is because you are fooled.
This is not emcee'n this is singing and what has been stopped since the force md'a and also why components of the native tongues the beat nuts dissed and put this bullshyt out to pasture with the styles war shyt.
The problem with styles war rap was always they will try to make singing into rap when rap is not singing.
It always happens and why we already had a technical revolution.
Anytime the bpm's of rap start to move to slow with no technical application it can be compromised by rnb and singing.

Which is why you are supposed to have top tier cultural emcees to cancel it out and add perspective.
Yet, the industry and fan who want to cash in on being a starlet ruin that.


Art Barr

 

[dre]

what i posted in the other thread:

"he and Vince Staples clearly don't GAF about old school sensibilities...

it would be easy to play the "they have no respect" card but the sound they're shytting on (90s NY Hip-Hop) is the most entitled, "fukk that shyt over there we what's hot" era ever, so it's kind of fitting. not necessarily right or wrong, but poetic justice."

90s boom bappers never shytted on the golden era before them, but as far as their contemporaries from different regions, they were kind of haters to be haters. i think it had a lot to do with the competitive nature of being the best lyricist, which a lot of new kids don't get caught up in. either way they barely liked each other lol, and they were also averse to the south's rise at the start of the 00's.

older boom bap artists have just now stopped shytting on the new generation. guess they realized there's nothing they can do to change the circumstance. the fans of that era still keep the "real hip-hop" argument a relevant talking point, so it's natural for these kids to feel a way about that.

i'm not a huge fan of many of these dudes, but i think i understand where they're coming from. if people keep pitting you against a certain sound, saying you're inferior if you don't emulate that skillset, you're gonna resent it and lash out. you can't keep dismissing the kids then be mad how they clap back. he went a little OD trying to shyt on Primo's craft with the "it's just drums and nothing else," but i understand his sentiment of not wanting to rap over it.

 

[Wild self]

It's very tragic the way in the rap game is its cool to trash your elders.

When I was growing up, all we did was listen to 60's and 70's music (80's baby)...I knew so many classic R&B and soul music...everything from Ben E King to Earth Wind and Fire. You name it.

And listening and studying it when I was young allowed me to take their genius that they were passing down and building off it. And that's what kept music constantly interesting and progressive cuz everyone was doing it and in their own way.

Lot of these cats today clearly don't have that same reverence for music and it shows in how they create and produce. It's like music for retards by retards. Sad shyt.

Music to these kids is a way to make money and fukk groupies. Not like the old school where they put their lives on the track and made classics.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

This is a rnb song with lean content this is not a rap record.
People continue to try this force md meets r Kelly bullshyt and if you are fooled that is because you are fooled.
This is not emcee'n this is singing and what has been stopped since the force md'a and also why components of the native tongues the beat nuts dissed and put this bullshyt out to pasture with the styles war shyt.
The problem with styles war rap was always they will try to make singing into rap when rap is not singing.
It always happens and why we already had a technical revolution.
Anytime the bpm's of rap start to move to slow with no technical application it can be compromised by rnb and singing.

Which is why you are supposed to have top tier cultural emcees to cancel it out and add perspective.
Yet, the industry and fan who want to cash in on being a starlet ruin that.


Art Barr

The point being made was more about that the melody in a trap song is not always directed by the beat.

I agree that Young Thug isn't really emceeing on that song. At the same time, his vocals do elevate the beat... The semantics of which genre he's even operating in at times can be debated but you can't say that he isn't a good songwriter or that his music is unskilled.

There is a whole generation of actual rappers who are often overlooked in these conversations, the focus is paradoxically on the poppiest artists in discussions that are supposedly genuinely concerned with looking for talented emcees.

 

[spliz]

LiL Uzi vert = "I have not been rapping that long,...."

That is all you need to know.
Like i said jingle marketing department writers, voice over artist and impressionists.


Art Barr

Exactly. And u got people in the other thread praising this faggit for his mentality. fukk him. He old enough to know better. I hope he succeeds in life cause I would never try to stunt our black youths growth. But as far as rap and hip hop goes. Keep that lil nikka away from this shyt. nikkas talkin bout he young. fukk outta here. I know lil nikkas in the hood his age who will slap the shyt out of him and rap circles around him. To an older beat.

 

[spliz]

This is a rnb song with lean content this is not a rap record.
People continue to try this force md meets r Kelly bullshyt and if you are fooled that is because you are fooled.
This is not emcee'n this is singing and what has been stopped since the force md'a and also why components of the native tongues the beat nuts dissed and put this bullshyt out to pasture with the styles war shyt.
The problem with styles war rap was always they will try to make singing into rap when rap is not singing.
It always happens and why we already had a technical revolution.
Anytime the bpm's of rap start to move to slow with no technical application it can be compromised by rnb and singing.

Which is why you are supposed to have top tier cultural emcees to cancel it out and add perspective.
Yet, the industry and fan who want to cash in on being a starlet ruin that.


Art Barr

Oh shyt. PERFECT POST!. just absolutely perfect. Took the words right outta my mouth.

 

[Jacaveli The Don]

...Because they are your forefathers!!

They paved this road that you get to drive a Lambo on!
You want respect in the rap game? THEN RAP, MUTHAFUCCAS!!

HOW IN THE FUCC are these li'l niccas gettin' to be rappers, and they don't wanna rap??

Muthafuccas used to be ready to rap at all times! They was waiting on a chance to serve niccas...
muthafuccas don't even be in the same room and heard the beat...

Thats the REAL shyt, my dude!

I said it before and I'll say it again, Kurupt is one of the only true MCs that can spit straight from the dome. And that wasn't even his best freestyle, Kurupt's freestyles would WASH these youngins written rhymes.

Funny thing is, he would be Uzi's OG as both are originally from Philly but the talent gap between Lil Uzi Vert and Kurupt is seismic.

 

[spliz]

It's very tragic the way in the rap game is its cool to trash your elders.

When I was growing up, all we did was listen to 60's and 70's music (80's baby)...I knew so many classic R&B and soul music...everything from Ben E King to Earth Wind and Fire. You name it.

And listening and studying it when I was young allowed me to take their genius that they were passing down and building off it. And that's what kept music constantly interesting and progressive cuz everyone was doing it and in their own way.

Lot of these cats today clearly don't have that same reverence for music and it shows in how they create and produce. It's like music for retards by retards. Sad shyt.

Exactly.

 

[TEH]

I'm surprised Trap rappers haven't formally broken away from traditional hip hop and stopped calling themselves rappers.

 

[Taadow]

It's ironic these guys get paid for their words and voice but so few are eloquent.

He shouldn't rap over Mass Appeal. It wouldn't go with his style and honestly, it's a beat a billion people have freestyled on. I get it. I also get he isn't into older music. If I was a rapper I probably wouldn't want to freestyle over 'The Breaks' either....

The problem is he was very disrespectful about it and not receptive at all. The reason is because he is trying too hard to be different. He exposed himself in the interview talking about why he likes Robocop on 808s vs paranoid.

I don't disagree with your bottom line. But dig -

I'm not even a rapper - but if a nicca put on the muthafuccin' Who's The Boss theme song, imma rock that muthafuccin' chit -
just so fools can know i'm ill like that.

We from that era of microphone fiends. To paraphrase Cam, we don't gotta do this chit, we just do because we nice.
I can't fathom how a dude who gets to do it for a living doesn't have the fervor.

 

[yjmonn]

Thread got me weakkkk


Yall funny as shyt

Lil uzi vert?