@thewordismine13 Let's discuss what about intersectionality makes you a c00n

[JahFocus CS]

If the best your worldview/ideology has to offer is "domination" and oppression, that's a good sign you're peddling some politically and morally bankrupt nonsense

 

[Pressure]

during the 60s around 3/4ths of whites agreed that blacks should have civil rights. the marches,the protest, the sit ins, etc became an affective tool because when attacked it showed the ugly violent nature of white nationalism. People weren't trying to cosign that.

There is and was a place for strong even violent black nationalism as a defense to white supremacy, but it's a stretch to suggest as you are that it was the reason blacks gained civil rights.

This is your ahistortical fetish fantasy.

Breh, my family are literally in the history books for their involvement in the civil rights movement.

 

[Red Shield]

All that we are the world shyt is nice.. but it's not the reality folks

 

[iFightSeagullsForBread]

All that we are the world shyt is nice.. but it's not the reality folks

What's the reality?

 

[theworldismine13]

What's the reality?

 

[Red Shield]

What's the reality?

that the we are the world shyt isn't possible.. hell was never possible

 

[iFightSeagullsForBread]

that the we are the world shyt isn't possible.. hell was never possible

I don't understand what that even means, care to clarify?

 

[Red Shield]

I don't understand what that even means, care to clarify?

You really don't understand what "we are the world" means


nah b go troll with someone else

 

[iFightSeagullsForBread]

You really don't understand what "we are the world" means


nah b go troll with someone else

No I understand it references a song, but what does it have to do with the civil rights movement and intersectionality histroically is what I'm getting at

 

[qwasi]

In much the same way that Black men leave Black women out to dry when it comes to women's issues? Yes, we know.

People are for whatever reasons till under the impression that Black women anticipate either group to be our needs at the forefront. We don't. We know white women will ignore issues that concern women and race together, and we know Black men will ignore if not attack issues that concern race and women together. We as Black women still have to worry about both and will continue to fight for our rights in both.

Care to give examples of what black women issues are? There is great divide in the quality of life and culture between western and 3rd women. From the perspective of the latter I can understand the need to address black women issues - female gender mutilation.

Yet, even this are not exclusive to black women as improvished Asain/Middle Eastern countries experience the same. In addition it is my understanding these 'black women issues' fall in line with that of any white woman & can/are be covered by Feminist talking points. So mind enlightening me.

 

[Pressure]

Care to give examples of what black women issues are? There is great divide in the quality of life and culture between western and 3rd women. From the perspective of the latter I can understand the need to address black women issues - female gender mutilation.

Yet, even this are not exclusive to black women as improvished Asain/Middle Eastern countries experience the same. In addition it is my understanding these 'black women issues' fall in line with that of any white woman & can/are be covered by Feminist talking points. So mind enlightening me.

breh, you answered your own question.

Black women have black issues and women's issues.

 

[qwasi]

breh, you answered your own question.

Black women have black issues and women's issues.

The thing is so called black women's issues (the ones I could think off) aren't unique to them. I wanted to see if there was something that simply affects black women that nobody else goes through OR if it was simply a woman's issue dubbed black since its affecting a woman of color.

 

[NZA]

The thing is so called black women's issues (the ones I could think off) aren't unique to them. I wanted to see if there was something that simply affects black women that nobody else goes through OR if it was simply a woman's issue dubbed black since its affecting a woman of color.

i can think of a few that dont seem too controversial...

black women's unique issues include:

the fact that their mates are targeted by the prison industrial complex and are largely locked out of gainful employment (in some places, black male unemployment is near 50% and women of other races out earn black men so the gender wealth gap is actually backward for black men). this will mean that more black women live in dysfunctional communities, have a harder time raising children in a stable home, and will most likely be single for very long stretches of time.

black women also deal with western beauty standards that place them at or near the bottom in desirability. this is a problem because they are living in the most heavily marketing driven society on earth. it is near impossible for families to shield their children from american mass media, so black girls are almost universally forced to confront these notions before they are mature and even "black" media doesnt seem to counter images of unhealthy or anti-black beauty standards with anything constructive.

black women are often expected to be the stabilizer for a community in a downward spiral. this means black women are often encouraged to not complain or seek outside help for internal family problems (ie, domestic violence, sex abuse, etc.)

black women also are likely to be faced with having their upward mobility attached to black male failure. welfare benefits and charity tend to be contingent on not having a husband around. many workplaces will hire black women while actively rejecting black men, and many schools will be quick to remove or place black boys in special ed under the guise of making the classroom a safer, more orderly place for the rest of the students. considering this is far more likely to happen to black boys than girls, it is implied that the black girls need black boys removed in order to succeed.

...everyone of these will bite black women in the ass at some point in their lives, and i cant really think of any other ethnic group that has these circumstances as widespread as us

also, i am sure there are more...

intersectionality is not an opinion, it is a fact but black people need to understand that the unique things we face as individuals are still just one side of the same coin of white supremacy in this country.

 

[Anyanwu]

No I understand it references a song, but what does it have to do with the civil rights movement and intersectionality histroically is what I'm getting at

Nothing (I know you know that). It's a strawman bullshytters like to use since they're incapable of arguing against your actual statements.

Not to mention they fail to provide any solutions, but I guess those didn't come in the whatever youtube video they got their flawed rhetoric from. Just buzzwords and platitudes.

The funny thing is:

We're going to need some help. I'm a realist, I'm not saying we need to all hold hands and sing We are the World, but we do need nuance in our fight for our community against our enemies. We're smarter than them. Why stoop to their position which grows less tenable by the decade?

And yet here we are talking about a position nobody in this thread has advocated.

It's almost as if most of us have debated these talking points these talking points in the past.

 

[PartyHeart]

i can think of a few that dont seem too controversial...

black women's unique issues include:

the fact that their mates are targeted by the prison industrial complex and are largely locked out of gainful employment (in some places, black male unemployment is near 50% and women of other races out earn black men so the gender wealth gap is actually backward for black men). this will mean that more black women live in dysfunctional communities, have a harder time raising children in a stable home, and will most likely be single for very long stretches of time.

black women also deal with western beauty standards that place them at or near the bottom in desirability. this is a problem because they are living in the most heavily marketing driven society on earth. it is near impossible for families to shield their children from american mass media, so black girls are almost universally forced to confront these notions before they are mature and even "black" media doesnt seem to counter images of unhealthy or anti-black beauty standards with anything constructive.

black women are often expected to be the stabilizer for a community in a downward spiral. this means black women are often encouraged to not complain or seek outside help for internal family problems (ie, domestic violence, sex abuse, etc.)

black women also are likely to be faced with having their upward mobility attached to black male failure. welfare benefits and charity tend to be contingent on not having a husband around. many workplaces will hire black women while actively rejecting black men, and many schools will be quick to remove or place black boys in special ed under the guise of making the classroom a safer, more orderly place for the rest of the students. considering this is far more likely to happen to black boys than girls, it is implied that the black girls need black boys removed in order to succeed.

...everyone of these will bite black women in the ass at some point in their lives, and i cant really think of any other ethnic group that has these circumstances as widespread as us

also, i am sure there are more...

intersectionality is not an opinion, it is a fact but black people need to understand that the unique things we face as individuals are still just one side of the same coin of white supremacy in this country.

I actually don't even agree with one of these. Black women are not just extended employment by some charity or simply because we are not Black men. I have to correct this type of commentary because although I'm sure you didn't mean it to read as it does, it is inadvertently harmful. It paints Black women as being passive victims of white supremacy rather than being actively discriminated against as we are.

Also, a lot of these points revolve around Black men, and there are far more to Black women's issues than only being negatively impacted by virtue of being partners of Black men and the discrimination they face. Just to add an additional one, healthcare is a big issue, as Black women are dying at increasing rates from child birth and lack of quality care extended to us.

Another, even though I know I just said I'd only add one, is in school, where Black girls are punished/suspended at far greater rates than other girls.

The rest of your post I agree wholeheartedly with.