They arguing on twitter: Who is the better songwriter, Hov or 50?

[Art Barr]

Both have used writers and both bit their rubricks to have success.

This is a non debate and moot point.
About who had more help.
It is not a real discussion.



Art Barr

 

[Still Benefited]

What hits aged horribly?

Give It To Me,H to the Izzo, Aint No nikka,Anything,Me And My Girlfriend although that was always wack its worst now. Dirt Off Your Shoulder is atrocious.

Im not going to mention all of his singles i dont like. Just the ones i think were liked at the time but didnt age well. So let me retract Aint No nikka,because i dont know if people fukked with that record or not,nobody I knew

 

[BlackMajik]

50 Sambo stans

 

[Still Benefited]

There’s a reason Jayz first (and only?) #1 hit on one of his own songs was gift wrapped and handed to him by Alicia Keys, “Empire State of Mind”. 50 gotta hella #1s…and they’re all solo records,

But let yall tell it…,

Hits are the end all be all of song writing? Do you want to talk about the B-Sides and compare?

 

[Cladyclad]

Give It To Me,H to the Izzo, Aint No nikka,Anything,Me And My Girlfriend although that was always wack its worst now. Dirt Off Your Shoulder is atrocious.

Im not going to mention all of his singles i dont like. Just the ones i think were liked at the time but didnt age well. So let me retract Aint No nikka,because i dont know if people fukked with that record or not,nobody I knew

Performs all those songs to this day. And still getting plaques for them to this day

You just dont like them

 

[Piff Perkins]

Give It To Me,H to the Izzo, Aint No nikka,Anything,Me And My Girlfriend although that was always wack its worst now. Dirt Off Your Shoulder is atrocious.

Im not going to mention all of his singles i dont like. Just the ones i think were liked at the time but didnt age well. So let me retract Aint No nikka,because i dont know if people fukked with that record or not,nobody I knew

How did Dirt Off Your Shoulder age terribly? It doesn't sound like anything else from that time or now.

To me when I think of Hov tracks that didn't age well I think moreso on tracks that followed trends. Like for instance It's Alright from back when dudes were rapping over 80s pop samples; Nas followed suit on New World off Nastradamus. Or Anything which is clearly a cynical attempt to re-create Hard Knock Life. Or Things That U Do (Swizz trash).

H To The Izzo is an undeniable classic with a classic sample, can't hate that. Give It To Me aged very well, like a lot of Neptunes production (mind you I'm not a fan of them). I think Me & My Girlfriend is corny but at the same time....I still like it lol. It's a fun track, video was dope as hell too. Even being a Pac fan I can't really hate on it.

 

[ajnapoleon]

Can 50 do this?


One of jay’s lyrically impressive and different flows


The crowd can finish it for him


I can’t even name any 50 songs at this level


It’s not Jay chasing for 50 attention


It’s the other way around

 

[BK The Great]

 

[Still Benefited]

How did Dirt Off Your Shoulder age terribly? It doesn't sound like anything else from that time or now.

To me when I think of Hov tracks that didn't age well I think moreso on tracks that followed trends. Like for instance It's Alright from back when dudes were rapping over 80s pop samples; Nas followed suit on New World off Nastradamus. Or Anything which is clearly a cynical attempt to re-create Hard Knock Life. Or Things That U Do (Swizz trash).

H To The Izzo is an undeniable classic with a classic sample, can't hate that. Give It To Me aged very well, like a lot of Neptunes production (mind you I'm not a fan of them). I think Me & My Girlfriend is corny but at the same time....I still like it lol. It's a fun track, video was dope as hell too. Even being a Pac fan I can't really hate on it.

Yall gotta stop thinking just because something doesnt sound like anything else that it was "ahead of its time" in a good way. And I disagree,i think Neptunes and Timbaland production have aged horribly. That Dirt Off Your shoulders beat is one of the worst ever on a major song. Im honestly not sure how we ever liked it. I mustve been too focused on Jay and his aura at the time


H to The Izzo would be great if Jayz was starring in a sitcom about a Hustler sentenced to babysit by a judge, rather than face life in prison for the 92 bricks they found. But the hook is god awful and its all around cheesy. Jigga My nikka skirts the line but manages to still be good. Probably becauase the beat isnt corny on top of the corny A.I generated hook with a souless singer on it.


Nah breh,Jay needed a quality control specialist looking back. Shouldve had way better singles for as diverse as he was with the style.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

I ain't even a Hov fan like that, but this is just a ridiculous comparison. Jay-Z is levels above 50

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Jay overall most definitely. But prime 50 in the hook department is about as catchy as anyone's hooks in the game have ever been.

Thread not about catchy hooks, though. Songwriting is the entire package, and Jay is a better songwriter than 50 overall by a strong margin.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

Jay overall most definitely. But prime 50 in the hook department is about as catchy as anyone's hooks in the game have ever been.

Thread not about catchy hooks, though. Songwriting is the entire package, and Jay is a better songwriter than 50 overall by a strong margin.

And even those hooks became too formulaic and stale by the end of '05. That era of "needing a hot hook" hyped lead to the verses not meaning shyt

 

[No Hook]

I really don’t give a fukk what twitter has to say about anything hip hop related but I just wanted to say that Curtis has had one of the most overrated runs in hip hop when you really think about it

 

[TheDarceKnight]

And even those hooks became too formulaic and stale by the end of '05. That era of "needing a hot hook" hyped lead to the verses not meaning shyt

Yeah after The Massacre the hooks never really felt the same after that. They definitely got formulaic. And even some of the ones on Massacre sounded like they were chasing previous ones. Magic Stick and Candy Shop for example hella similar.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I really don’t give a fukk what twitter has to say about anything hip hop related but I just wanted to say that Curtis has had one of the most overrated runs in hip hop when you really think about it

I fukk with 50 but I'm not mad at this take