They want NYC to get rid of Gifted & Talented programs/ Gone

[Black Hans]

:lebrondahell::jimjonestear::smartdumbnikka:

I'll just say this: the schools and the children (at least the children themselves) aren't the problem. . The cycle will continue until those affected break it. Aren't you tired of this ride? Or are the lies you tell yourself and each other going to continue because like CACs, you all want to get embarrassed when reality puts that mirror to your face?

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

As someone who's been in majority black schools all my life in NYC, an extremely large portion of nikkas don't take education seriously at all. Mindset plays just a big a role if not bigger than poverty does when it comes to education. The average nyc black hs kids ain't taking there shyt seriously, its as simple as that.

Yall gonna come in here with excuses thou

On average black families are the poorest and least educated as a result of said poverty. A lot of education comes at home and if momma barely knows how to multiply then. I've seen it first hand

Or if Daddy is out working two dead end jobs does he have time to help with homework ?

Definitely not affording a tutor



More important than all that above...

I'd like to add, as someone who has attended a majority black PRIVATE elementary school, majority public white elementary and majority black publicbmiddle and elementary schools in the NYC system(moved a lot when I was a kid)

We also have a culture of promoting nonsense. Where book smarts are seen as lame and nerdy smh.


The white and Asian parents especially actually give a shyt about their kids education more often than the black parents. Only at the private school did parents give a shyt(which is understandable if you're paying thousands of dollars to send your kid today school, not the same for public) Just go sit through parent teacher conferences and look at the attendance of the parents. The ones who consistently came saw their kids score higher grades as they ensured work got done.

A lot of nikkas won't agree with what I said but it's the truth

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Of course..

Some brehs would rather blame cavs though.

But I lived this shyt..

You may be raised by a single mom whose tired and overwhelmed from work and she come home and ain't tryna sit and make sure the kid is doing homework.

The black family unit been broken for generations.

Most parents never had that family support as kids and it trickles downhill to the next generation.

 

[Retired Account]

I am born and bred in the Bx. I went to a almost all black and hispanic hs and now go to a heavily white and asian college.

My parents cared but after a certain point they could not do the work themselves. I got screamed at to read but i called their bluff so they eventually let me do whatever. I cant talk for everybody but i have witnessed other parents who dont know how to help.

There is also a lack of representation of black people in a lot of fields. White and asians study harder because they expect a good job for it. I am a couple months from graduating with a bachelors and Im still unsure if i will get a job that pays a livable wage.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

If by "home environment and values", you mean a government that single mindedly works to purposefully destroy their homes, you're right. I'm talking about the 90s. These kids were victims of deindustrialization and Iran Contra.

nah..

Alot of it is just shytty parents being shytty parents.

We need to hold ourselves accountable..of course the government had a hand in destroying black families but we can't ignore that we have power to change shyt,change our ways.

Not everyone's parents lived in a neighborhood where crack was pumped in..ig that was what you were alluding to by mentioning contra.

The world I know alot of parents weren't ready to be parents and didn't care to change their behavior to become the best parent they can be.

 

[Cel 510 kid ados forever]

Why are black students always at the lowest scholastic levels? Very disheartening.

Cause the schools in inner city are underfunded and the gov doesn't care about those kids cause they black

 

[tremonthustler1]

I am born and bred in the Bx. I went to a almost all black and hispanic hs and now go to a heavily white and asian college.

My parents cared but after a certain point they could not do the work themselves. I got screamed at to read but i called their bluff so they eventually let me do whatever. I cant talk for everybody but i have witnessed other parents who dont know how to help.

There is also a lack of representation of black people in a lot of fields. White and asians study harder because they expect a good job for it. I am a couple months from graduating with a bachelors and Im still unsure if i will get a job that pays a livable wage.

Which one?


It's definitely on the parents, but in NYC, some of these schools are just too crowded. The appeal a lot of private schools have is that you don't slip through the cracks. You get more attention from the teachers because there's less students for each teacher. When a kid doesn't do well, instead of figuring out a way to help the kid, the parent blames the teachers or the curriculum and then the teacher implies the parent could do more at home and instead of acknowledging that, parents get defensive and inevitably don't do shyt for the kid.

Also, steel sharpens steel. If you hang with a bunch of kids who don't give a damn about school or getting the work done, you're gonna follow suit. If you hang with peers down to get their work done right, you will too just so you're not left behind. My catholic school would give out these pins for first honors, second honors, and effort. If you had them, you had to wear them, so while you knew who was out here working hard, you also knew who the dumbasses were and you didn't want that to be you cuz you'd get roasted that entire trimester. My family has someone who I consider a sister now because she'd always hang around my sisters. She did that because her family didn't value education the way she wanted to, but she noticed how seriously my family valued education and how we took care of business so she just hung around us all the time and felt more at home.

 

[Dr. Acula]

This debate has been going on for decades at this point and at this point, I can't be the only one hearing the same excuses being made for the situation that has been the same for the same amount of decades.

Anecdotally speaking, if you ain't putting in the work outside of class, you're going to fail. What you do outside of school > what happens inside of school most of the time as far as what determine school success. As already mentioned, other groups are making their kids work outside of just school hours to make sure they do well. Folks talk about "route memorization" but if "route memorization" is what is leading some to graduate from high school and some not, then fukk it, bring on the route memorization.

No excuse tbh.

Instead of lowering the standards to the underachieving students, focus on trying to get more of the underachieving students reach higher standards.

 

[Dorian Breh]

The internalized racism to blame poor parenting for this as if poor spending, corruption and institutionalized racism on the part of the teachers isn't the problem

 

[Shang Tsung]

People really blaming teachers and schools like its 1960 and the internet doesn't exist

In college, for some classes I learned more from youtube videos than i did in any of my professor's lectures

You can give a someone the best teacher, the fastest computer, most advanced calculator, but if they dont want to learn. Then, they're not going to learn

 

[Retired Account]

Which one?


.

A school in the Columbus campus. There were 7 schools in there when i graduated.

 

[tremonthustler1]

A school in the Columbus campus. There were 7 schools in there when i graduated.

oh yeah. I can't keep up with how the city breaks these schools down anymore.

 

[UpAndComing]

Good education start at the home

Regardless of what the NYC school system taught me, I always studied on my own

 

[HarlemHottie]

Not everyone's parents lived in a neighborhood where crack was pumped in..ig that was what you were alluding to by mentioning contra.

Thread is specifically about New York.

nikkas be legit arguing for the right to shyt on black parents. Let me know when and if the latino, Asian, and white kids are arrested for normal school infractions. I'll wait.

I'm sick of supposedly black people ignoring all the very real social deficits we work under. Stop this shyt. In all the periods y'all look back on fondly, middle class black people got off their ass and helped. I was tutoring my peers in middle school. DO SOMETHING, you lazy proselytizing b*stards.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Thread is specifically about New York.

nikkas be legit arguing for the right to shyt on black parents. Let me know when and if the latino, Asian, and white kids are arrested for normal school infractions. I'll wait.

I'm sick of supposedly black people ignoring all the very real social deficits we work under. Stop this shyt. In all the periods y'all look back on fondly, middle class black people got off their ass and helped. I was tutoring my peers in middle school. DO SOMETHING, you lazy proselytizing b*stards.

You're right white people are 100% to blame..

Black parents are absolved.

 

[ISO]

I coach AAU basketball and we had a Saturday tournament at a private high school. The same day at that school, some SAT/college prep camp was happening.

The racial and ethnic breakdown for the two events at the same school was obvious: Mostly black teen boys and some girls headed to the basketball tournament; and mostly Asian and white teens attending the SAT/college camp.

I still coach youth basketball, and we stress academic achievement in our program above success on the courts.

But damn if that day didn't make me think twice about where we place our priorities for our children.

The same kids struggling in school will excel in athletics and performing arts it’s different priorities