They want NYC to get rid of Gifted & Talented programs/ Gone

[ISO]

How the fukk are Asian kids and Hispanic kids outscoring black kids...in FUKKING ENGLISH?!

Many of those kids come from families where the parents barely speak any English!

If you want to excel at English the most important thing to do is to read. If you do not read your lexile level will be trash and you will have poor reading stamina and comprehension.

For all you with children make sure your child reads. When I have a child I will personally assign books to read outside whatever is read in the classroom.

And they will read the shyt

 

[Geode]

Thread is specifically about New York.

nikkas be legit arguing for the right to shyt on black parents. Let me know when and if the latino, Asian, and white kids are arrested for normal school infractions. I'll wait.

I'm sick of supposedly black people ignoring all the very real social deficits we work under. Stop this shyt. In all the periods y'all look back on fondly, middle class black people got off their ass and helped. I was tutoring my peers in middle school. DO SOMETHING, you lazy proselytizing b*stards.

We can do both. We can work towards correcting what we can control and fight systematic racism and discrimination in education at the same time.

 

[ignorethis]

Like I said my girl teaches in inner city schools and everybody will tell you the same thing. It's not the schools, it's the kids and by extension parent/home situation.

That's one of the main reason charter schools perform better, most of them don't have revolutionary teaching methods, they just have the luxury of selection, so they can say "that kid is on some bullshyt we don't want them" or "that kid's parents aren't shyt, we don't want them".

And they're only gonna keep growing because people sweep it under the rug or drown their voices out, but there are poor parents (including black, including single moms) that are giving their all to insure their kids have the best chance to make it in America and they don't want their kids to sink with the failures.

 

[I'm Blackman]

We can do both. We can work towards correcting what we can control and fight systematic racism and discrimination in education at the same time.

Boom. Both can be done at the same time.

 

[010101]

sometimes it's just like when the runt of the litter tries to play ball with the big dawgs

when you realize it's literally impossible for you & you will never catch up you quit

the system will not take time to find where these children will flourish

every mind is not built for academic success just like everyone is not physically built to succeed in athletics

the process of finding your lane & identifying aptitudes should be initiated from the start

they play folks for suckers by waiting until it's too late

*

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

a big part of education and doing well is the premium placed on it at home...let's be honest. what's being taught in school still needs to be supplemented and reinfocred ina home environment.


my parent's read to me, my aunt (a teacher) used to make me read 2-3 books per summer and write reports on them, she also made me start keeping a journal as a way to ensure i was writing regularly, my grandma made me watch all sorts of documentaries and used to buy me activity books (math, science, language) as well as old textbooks from goodwill , my extended fam was big on african american history so they always made sure the kids (my cousins my age) were learning that.


my family definitely isn't some five generations of Howard/Spellman, Boule, doctor ass nikkas, but they understood one of the best ways to get ahead in the rigged game was getting an education...being just as smart/smarter than the white kids. them asian families get it (although to an extreme - their kids are too one-dimensional, they have no depth outside of academics), we need to do a better job of encouraging a passion for learning - and this doesn't always have to be purely in the context of school, but if you love to learn, it will spill over into school as well.

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

I see a whole lot of bootstraps being pulled up in here

 

[Jammer22]

I had a blackboard too. I was failing algebra and moms wasn't having it. Studied, flirted with this smart Asian for free tutoring, ended up with a solid B.

Looking back at it...

I was doing homework with pops 11pm-12 am till morning. But I think 80s and 90s babies had big ass textbooks and too much homework as well. I feel like I was dumb as shyt from that kindergarten to 2nd grade. Something just clicked one day in 2nd grade though...like a Eureka moment.

 

[Jammer22]

Can't believe I forgot this.

I have been going to after school programs since elementary. Even the smart kids or kids who needed a push went to those. I did it all the way through HS to college.

Never was a straight-A student, but I was taught to make an effort constantly.

If they had cut that shyt, I know I would have done worse.

 

[get these nets]

A few members have mentioned in the threads about this topic and Stuyvesant High that the real motivation and interests behind some of these moves are newly transplanted white new yorkers. Their kids can't test into the elite public schools in NYC, so they are funding these measures to scrap the tests. Camouflaging it as "concern for Black and Brown students" and "why are the schools segregated in NYC"
As the college admissions cheating scandal moves towards sentencing, I'm starting to agree more and more with this viewpoint. I've been seeing and hearing more "op-ed" pieces by these concerned white people in print and radio/yt and I don't buy one bit of it.

 

[BaltimoreTwilightMarauder]

Why are black students always at the lowest scholastic levels? Very disheartening.

No real parent structure to enforce the importance of school. When your dad isn't around and your mon is either dumb or busy you don't have anyone in the house to push you.

 

[get these nets]

UPDATE


January 13, 2021

EDUCATION
DOE Will End Gifted and Talented Test After This Year


The Education Department will administer an entrance exam for its gifted and talented programs to four-year-olds this spring -- but it will be the last time.

The city’s gifted and talented programs have become a flashpoint in recent years, as Mayor de Blasio has pledged to diversify city classrooms, whih are among the nation’s most segregated.

What You Need To Know

• The Education Department will administer an entrance exam for its gifted and talented programs to four-year-olds this spring -- but it will be the last time

• 
  
  
  • The programs have become a flashpoint in recent years amid pushes to diversify city schools
  • The city will spend the next year getting feedback to create a new accelerated program

Like the controversial specialized high school admissions process, entrance is determined by a single, high-stakes exam -- but in this case, an exam given to four-year-olds. Critics say that makes it a better determiner of privilege -- some toddlers are tutored for the test -- than of talent.

But the program has supporters from across the political spectrum -- and among many parents -- who have argued the city ought to increase the number of seats available rather than scrap it.

Students applying to attend city kindergartens in fall of 2021 will still take the exam this year, and it will be given in person beginning in April.

“For our youngest learners, we must move forward and develop a system that reimagines accelerated learning and enrichment,” NYC Department of Education spokeswoman Miranda Barbot said. “At the same time, we want to honor the fact that families have been planning kindergarten admissions for many months now. We will develop new plans for identifying and serving exceptional students and release them for the next enrollment cycle.”

A proposed contract for the test company Pearson to administer the exam was posted Tuesday evening, ahead of a vote by the Panel for Education Policy on January 27.

The test is normally given in January, but the department says families will receive scores in the early summer, and will have enough time to apply to gifted and talented programs before the school year start.

While the test will be scrapped next year, the future of the program is less clear; the DOE plans to spend the next year determining what it might look like through a community engagement process.

“We will spend the next year engaging communities around what kind of programming they would like to see that is more inclusive, enriching, and truly supports the needs of academically advanced and diversely talented students at a more appropriate age,” Barbot said. “We will also engage communities around how best to integrate enriched learning opportunities to more students, so that every student – regardless of a label or a class that they are in – can access rigorous learning that is tailored to their needs and fosters their creativity, passion, and strengths.”

In 2019, a task force assembled by the mayor to help increase diversity in schools recommended that the city no longer track students deem gifted and talented into separate classes from their peers. The task force was co-chaired by Maya Wiley, who is running for mayor.

The classes are disproportionately Asian and white compared to the school system at large: 20% of all kindergartners this school year were Asian, but Asian students accounted for 43% of kindergartners in gifted and talented programs. White students accounted for 20% of all kindergartners but 36% of gifted and talented students.

Meanwhile, while 40% percent of all kindergarten students are Hispanic, they make up only 8% of the kindergartners in gifted and talented. And while 17% of all kindergartners this year are Black, just 6% of gifted and talented kindergartners were Black.

The programs see high demand for comparatively few seats: about 15,000 students apply each year, for just 2,500 kindergarten slots. Those seats are seen as a track for getting into the city’s most competitive middle and high schools.

Students who are already in gifted and talented programs, and those who start this fall, will be able to complete their elementary school program.

While the mayor has been outspoken about his opposition to using a single, high-stakes test for high school admissions, he's previously not taken a clear stand on the gifted and talented exam. This change comes in the final year of his mayoralty, and would go into effect essentially as a new mayor takes office.

 

[UpAndComing]

UPDATE


January 13, 2021

EDUCATION
DOE Will End Gifted and Talented Test After This Year


The Education Department will administer an entrance exam for its gifted and talented programs to four-year-olds this spring -- but it will be the last time.

The city’s gifted and talented programs have become a flashpoint in recent years, as Mayor de Blasio has pledged to diversify city classrooms, whih are among the nation’s most segregated.

What You Need To Know

• The Education Department will administer an entrance exam for its gifted and talented programs to four-year-olds this spring -- but it will be the last time

• 
  
  
  • The programs have become a flashpoint in recent years amid pushes to diversify city schools
  • The city will spend the next year getting feedback to create a new accelerated program

Like the controversial specialized high school admissions process, entrance is determined by a single, high-stakes exam -- but in this case, an exam given to four-year-olds. Critics say that makes it a better determiner of privilege -- some toddlers are tutored for the test -- than of talent.

But the program has supporters from across the political spectrum -- and among many parents -- who have argued the city ought to increase the number of seats available rather than scrap it.

Students applying to attend city kindergartens in fall of 2021 will still take the exam this year, and it will be given in person beginning in April.

“For our youngest learners, we must move forward and develop a system that reimagines accelerated learning and enrichment,” NYC Department of Education spokeswoman Miranda Barbot said. “At the same time, we want to honor the fact that families have been planning kindergarten admissions for many months now. We will develop new plans for identifying and serving exceptional students and release them for the next enrollment cycle.”

A proposed contract for the test company Pearson to administer the exam was posted Tuesday evening, ahead of a vote by the Panel for Education Policy on January 27.

The test is normally given in January, but the department says families will receive scores in the early summer, and will have enough time to apply to gifted and talented programs before the school year start.

While the test will be scrapped next year, the future of the program is less clear; the DOE plans to spend the next year determining what it might look like through a community engagement process.

“We will spend the next year engaging communities around what kind of programming they would like to see that is more inclusive, enriching, and truly supports the needs of academically advanced and diversely talented students at a more appropriate age,” Barbot said. “We will also engage communities around how best to integrate enriched learning opportunities to more students, so that every student – regardless of a label or a class that they are in – can access rigorous learning that is tailored to their needs and fosters their creativity, passion, and strengths.”

In 2019, a task force assembled by the mayor to help increase diversity in schools recommended that the city no longer track students deem gifted and talented into separate classes from their peers. The task force was co-chaired by Maya Wiley, who is running for mayor.

The classes are disproportionately Asian and white compared to the school system at large: 20% of all kindergartners this school year were Asian, but Asian students accounted for 43% of kindergartners in gifted and talented programs. White students accounted for 20% of all kindergartners but 36% of gifted and talented students.

Meanwhile, while 40% percent of all kindergarten students are Hispanic, they make up only 8% of the kindergartners in gifted and talented. And while 17% of all kindergartners this year are Black, just 6% of gifted and talented kindergartners were Black.

The programs see high demand for comparatively few seats: about 15,000 students apply each year, for just 2,500 kindergarten slots. Those seats are seen as a track for getting into the city’s most competitive middle and high schools.

Students who are already in gifted and talented programs, and those who start this fall, will be able to complete their elementary school program.

While the mayor has been outspoken about his opposition to using a single, high-stakes test for high school admissions, he's previously not taken a clear stand on the gifted and talented exam. This change comes in the final year of his mayoralty, and would go into effect essentially as a new mayor takes office.

Lack of Funds

NYC is HURTING for money

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

education starts and fails at home.

we have a ton of people here who take offence to acknowledging reality. homework practise and tutoring. If you don't have the time to support this or arrange for it then you haven't set your child up for success. Not having the time or money is not a valid response. You don't have the will. This is the most fundamental thing to give your kids.

America is in the toilet because it has forsaken education.

 

[get these nets]

NYC to phase out separate classes for 'gifted and talented' students

Oct. 08, 2021

Mayor Bill de Blasio will essentially end the public school gifted and talented program in its current form — eliminating a high-stakes test for four-year-olds and no longer separating out students deemed gifted into separate classes.

What You Need To Know

• Mayor Bill de Blasio will essentially end the public school gifted and talented program in its current form
  
  
  • The city will eliminate the use of a high-stakes test given to four-year-olds and will stop separating children into gifted classes
  
  
  • The city says it will instead provide those students with accelerated learning within mixed-ability classrooms

The test has typically admitted only about 2,500 kindergartners a year into the gifted and talented program — a tiny fraction of the city’s school children. But those who have already been admitted to the separate classes will remain in them until they’ve graduated them.

“As a lifelong educator, what we all know is that no single test should be determining any child’s future," Chancellor Meisha Porter said on Friday during an appearance with Mayor de Blasio on WNYC. “There are so many more students who are gifted, who are talented, who are brilliant, who have special gifts and I think this is the moment about creating opportunities for all students to demonstrate their powerful learning abilities and for teachers to really tap into those gifts.”

The announcement will be deeply unpopular with parents who view the program as a reason to remain in public schools, but applauded by others who believe the program worsens classroom segregation. It comes with just three months left in the mayor’s final term in office.

Instead of using separate classes, the city says it will instead offer “accelerated instruction” to all students. That will begin in fall of 2022 with a new model for all elementary schools that the city says will serve 26 times more students than the current program — reaching 65,000 instead of 2,500.

“This is a really exciting day and the chancellor and I are so happy that we’re going to be ending something that I think was a mistake all along—a single test for 4 year olds that determines so much of their future,” de Blasio said on WNYC. “We’re going to reach tens of thousands more kids with accelerated learning. This is a really important day for New York City.”

At third grade, students will be universally screened by subject area to see if they would benefit from tailored accelerated instruction — but they’ll remain in classes with children of all ability.

The accelerated instruction will include “learning with projects based on real-world problems students need to solve using advanced skills,” the education department says.

The overhaul will be rolled out to all 800 schools with elementary students and this year the city will train all 4,000 kindergarten teachers in accelerated instruction, which the department says will reach children in areas with historically little access to gifted and talented programing.

The city will also launch seven borough-wide teams of accelerate instruction experts, and hold engagement sessions with parents in October and November — though parents who wanted to have input on the plan will likely be frustrated that it’s been announced before those sessions.

The city aims to roll out the plan fully in December — the mayor’s final month in office. That will leave it to the next mayor to implement. Democratic nominee Eric Adams, de Blasio’s likely successor, has been skeptical about ending gifted and talented programs. It’s unclear how quickly he could pivot to instead implement a program of his own.

“Eric will assess the plan and reserves his right to implement policies based on the needs of students and parents, should he become mayor," Adams spokesperson Evan Thies said in a statement. "Clearly the Department of Education must improve outcomes for children from lower-income areas.”

The announcement is being made on a Friday — the one day of the week de Blasio typically does not hold a press conference. That means that beyond his weekly radio appearance on WNYC, he likely will not face questions on the plan from the broader press corps until next week.