They want NYC to get rid of Gifted & Talented programs/ Gone

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:comeon: Thread is specifically about New York.

nikkas be legit arguing for the right to shyt on black parents. Let me know when and if the latino, Asian, and white kids are arrested for normal school infractions. I'll wait.

I'm sick of supposedly black people ignoring all the very real social deficits we work under. Stop this shyt. In all the periods y'all look back on fondly, middle class black people got off their ass and helped. I was tutoring my peers in middle school. DO SOMETHING, you lazy proselytizing b*stards.
Did you goto Harlem children zone in Harlem?
Tutor there?

My ex years ago worked there every weekend and helped with tutoring, you just reminded me of that memory.
 

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No, HCZ didn't get popping until I was grown.
I went there a few times with my ex, they had her teaching math classes while she was in school. She went to st.cathrines in the Bronx.

Then I went again because there was a teacher seminar I went with my boys moms to be a tutor when we got our Geds. Had to do presentations and a host of other things. She passed away now but I never forgot hcz.

Do they consider those schools charter schools now?

We got school credit from it and we was amongst all the public school teachers .
 
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I was in GATE since 2nd grade. They didnt give me shyt but more work than regular students.. No scholarships , grants , nothing . Hell, i didnt even get shyt for being a ward of the court
 
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People understand that in order for MJ, Steph, LeBron and KD to be so good required hours of practice and work in the gym.

For some reason, we don't translate this over to academics. It all starts at home. Regardless of race, the kids that get lots of attention and focus from parents at home, do better in school. The kids who always get told to "hush and sit yo azz down"....those kids struggle.

If your kid shows up to kindergarten and first grade not knowing how to read, they're already behind the 8-ball.

Seen too many black kids that will be the first to tell someone "yo breff stank" or walk all the way down the street just to point and stare at someone with a disability BUT, somehow don't apply the same level of curiosity and tenacity to their schoolwork. That is parenting.

Going to college helps you understand this better. You might spend a couple of hours/week in a specific class but spend 10 hours studying for that class in the library. Elementary and secondary school isn't that intense but the idea is the same: most of the heavy lifting is done at home.
 

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People understand that in order for MJ, Steph, LeBron and KD to be so good required hours of practice and work in the gym.

For some reason, we don't translate this over to academics. It all starts at home. Regardless of race, the kids that get lots of attention and focus from parents at home, do better in school. The kids who always get told to "hush and sit yo azz down"....those kids struggle.

If your kid shows up to kindergarten and first grade not knowing how to read, they're already behind the 8-ball.

Seen too many black kids that will be the first to tell someone "yo breff stank" or walk all the way down the street just to point and stare at someone with a disability BUT, somehow don't apply the same level of curiosity and tenacity to their schoolwork. That is parenting.

Going to college helps you understand this better. You might spend a couple of hours/week in a specific class but spend 10 hours studying for that class in the library. Elementary and secondary school isn't that intense but the idea is the same: most of the heavy lifting is done at home.
100%. School is meant for the average and in this country it's slow compared to other countries virtually everywhere. At home you have to push your kids a little bit more.
 

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Why not just expand it to more schools instead of getting rid of it.

Yeah this is where i'm at. They did the opposite of what they should've done.

People understand that in order for MJ, Steph, LeBron and KD to be so good required hours of practice and work in the gym.

For some reason, we don't translate this over to academics. It all starts at home. Regardless of race, the kids that get lots of attention and focus from parents at home, do better in school. The kids who always get told to "hush and sit yo azz down"....those kids struggle.

If your kid shows up to kindergarten and first grade not knowing how to read, they're already behind the 8-ball.

Seen too many black kids that will be the first to tell someone "yo breff stank" or walk all the way down the street just to point and stare at someone with a disability BUT, somehow don't apply the same level of curiosity and tenacity to their schoolwork. That is parenting.

Going to college helps you understand this better. You might spend a couple of hours/week in a specific class but spend 10 hours studying for that class in the library. Elementary and secondary school isn't that intense but the idea is the same: most of the heavy lifting is done at home.

Yeah you hit the nail on the head. Especially with the basketball analogy. I feel like a lot of black people really aren't aware of the extent that white and especially asian parents go to for their kid's education. Basically all asian parents are like those crazy obsessed basketball dads. They will drill into their kids heads from day one that if they aren't well educated then they ain't shyt. Even if they can't help their kids with hw, they'll still scrap some money together to pay for tutoring, they'll attend every PTA meeting, and a lot of times, especially cac parents, will donate money to their local public schools in order to give their kids more resources, like music classes, or assistant teachers etc.. and if they're too poor to do that, they'll uproot their entire family to move into a better school district so they can be surrounded by parents that will.

Honestly a lot black parents need to be more cognizant of how good the school districts are before they move. If you ever wonder how why in Long Island for example, you can have 2 communities right next to each other that are virtually identically, yet the average cost of housing in one is like 5x that of the other. It's because the more expensive one, is in a much better school district.

A lot of people will look at the stats in the OP and will understandable assume the school is at fault (and don't get me wrong a lot of these schools are garbage). But the reality of the situation is, how well a student does in school is almost entirely determined by the parents, income plays a huge role as well but even that takes a back seat to parenting.

a lot of modern kids have fukked up home environments behind closed doors

Yup. I did really well in school, was in G&T and was valedictorian. Honestly I think a lot of that was just due to the fact that I had a stable homelife. both my parents we're together, and we had a house. They never really helped me with my homework or anything like that, but just the fact that I didn't have to worry about things like, going hungry, feeling unsafe, having someone to pick me up when I needed a ride, having access to a home computer (in the early 2000s no less, before even a lot of cacs did), no to mention being disciplined if I ever fukked up. These things may seem small but they definitely do contribute a lot to a child capacity to do well in school. If I was in the exact same situation but grew up with a single mother who worked 2 jobs and was never around etc... I definitely wouldn't have been able to do anywhere near as well as I did in school.
 
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People understand that in order for MJ, Steph, LeBron and KD to be so good required hours of practice and work in the gym.

For some reason, we don't translate this over to academics. It all starts at home. Regardless of race, the kids that get lots of attention and focus from parents at home, do better in school. The kids who always get told to "hush and sit yo azz down"....those kids struggle.

If your kid shows up to kindergarten and first grade not knowing how to read, they're already behind the 8-ball.

Seen too many black kids that will be the first to tell someone "yo breff stank" or walk all the way down the street just to point and stare at someone with a disability BUT, somehow don't apply the same level of curiosity and tenacity to their schoolwork. That is parenting.

Going to college helps you understand this better. You might spend a couple of hours/week in a specific class but spend 10 hours studying for that class in the library. Elementary and secondary school isn't that intense but the idea is the same: most of the heavy lifting is done at home.

This is an EXCELLENT post. Repped.
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This is really messed up. I’m surprised this isn’t bigger news. GATE is how people like myself were able to escape the oppressive ghettos. Parents will now have to pay for private education for their kids to have a fighting chance and public school will become nothing more than one big SPED daycare.
 
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Yeah this is where i'm at. They did the opposite of what they should've done.



Yeah you hit the nail on the head. Especially with the basketball analogy. I feel like a lot of black people really aren't aware of the extent that white and especially asian parents go to for their kid's education. Basically all asian parents are like those crazy obsessed basketball dads. They will drill into their kids heads from day one that if they aren't well educated then they ain't shyt. Even if they can't help their kids with hw, they'll still scrap some money together to pay for tutoring, they'll attend every PTA meeting, and a lot of times, especially cac parents, will donate money to their local public schools in order to give their kids more resources, like music classes, or assistant teachers etc.. and if they're too poor to do that, they'll uproot their entire family to move into a better school district so they can be surrounded by parents that will.

Honestly a lot black parents need to be more cognizant of how good the school districts are before they move. If you ever wonder how why in Long Island for example, you can have 2 communities right next to each other that are virtually identically, yet the average cost of housing in one is like 5x that of the other. It's because the more expensive one, is in a much better school district.

A lot of people will look at the stats in the OP and will understandable assume the school is at fault (and don't get me wrong a lot of these schools are garbage). But the reality of the situation is, how well a student does in school is almost entirely determined by the parents, income plays a huge role as well but even that takes a back seat to parenting.



Yup. I did really well in school, was in G&T and was valedictorian. Honestly I think a lot of that was just due to the fact that I had a stable homelife. both my parents we're together, and we had a house. They never really helped me with my homework or anything like that, but just the fact that I didn't have to worry about things like, going hungry, feeling unsafe, having someone to pick me up when I needed a ride, having access to a home computer (in the early 2000s no less, before even a lot of cacs did), no to mention being disciplined if I ever fukked up. These things may seem small but they definitely do contribute a lot to a child capacity to do well in school. If I was in the exact same situation but grew up with a single mother who worked 2 jobs and was never around etc... I definitely wouldn't have been able to do anywhere near as well as I did in school.

Agreed.

I grew up in a single parent home but had education drilled into my head from Day 1.

Why?

My mom and her siblings spent a lot of time around their grandparents as kids. Grandma had been a schoolteacher in one of those country one-room schools for Colored folk. Grandpa was illiterate but a successful farmer. He pushed education on them HARD, like an African parent. That filtered down through his kids and grandkids to where most of the great-grandkids (my generation), received SOME kind of post-secondary education: university, trade school etc.

It's not even a hood thing because we see successful middle class/upper middle class Black parents with kids that are outperformed by rural white kids without a dollar to their name.

Black children do fine when we push them to excellence but a lot of us, for some reason, don't demand excellence from our kids unless it's athletics. Think about all the AAU dads and Pop Warner dads and then contrast that with the African and Asian parents that look at their kids sideways for bringing home grades below a 90.

My mom would question me for bringing home a B+. "What happened there?" "Maybe you need to study more...that Playstation is distracting you."

A lot of us encourage our kids to pass and just get through instead of excelling and being the best. Kids need a little pressure. They called it "eustress" or something like that back in school.
 
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