Thibs fired

[jwinfield]

Thank you ! I kept saying this during the courting process , once I saw the Bulls didn't do anything to clear the necessary space or make the moves it was like im a New York homer sure but should melo take a pay cut and sign onto a team not willing to commit real resources to melo? For taj Gibson and picks ? The Bulls at this point aren't the Spurs what player wants to do that

And you don't think the Bulls would've made the moves to offer the full max if Melo said he was coming?

 

[23Barrettcity]

And you don't think the Bulls would've made the moves to offer the full max if Melo said he was coming?

That's not how it works though . There is no guarantee all the necessary moves would of happened in a timely manner . Plus there were bulls fans in here saying ehh why make any moves melo should just take the pay cut and want to play with the Bulls roster . Also wasn't Taj in the recruiting pitch ? The Bulls didn't do enough to recruit melo sorry

 

[jwinfield]

That's not how it works though . There is no guarantee all the necessary moves would of happened in a timely manner . Plus there were bulls fans in here saying ehh why make any moves melo should just take the pay cut and want to play with the Bulls roster . Also wasn't Taj in the recruiting pitch ? The Bulls didn't do enough to recruit melo sorry

Timely manner?

Melo resigned with the Knicks on July 12, 11 days after FA opened.

We've seen plenty of FA periods with teams making a bunch of moves to free up more cap space.

We should've traded Taj, told Niko to resign in Europe because he wasn't coming over, traded both 1st rounders for future picks and then hope to get an agreement from Melo?

Because I'm sure if Melo said, I want to come to the Bulls, but only for the full max, it would've taken the Bulls two months to make the moves to free up that cap space

 

[cornercommission2k12]

And you don't think the Bulls would've made the moves to offer the full max if Melo said he was coming?

This part I don't know

And I'm not sure about sending off jimmy taj whatever.

But noah and taj being sent off would have been worth it. Could have signed like a Andre blatche type until this season when we fill in the holes

But the main reason it's embarrassing us because the entire world watched him turn us down. It's another shot at our front office inability to get things done.

 

[jwinfield]

This part I don't know

And I'm not sure about sending off jimmy taj whatever.

But noah and taj being sent off would have been worth it. Could have signed like a Andre blatche type until this season when we fill in the holes

But the main reason it's embarrassing us because the entire world watched him turn us down. It's another shot at our front office inability to get things done.

IIRC, there were only 2 ways to get Melo close to the full max.

Trade Taj/Dun and some other shyt, which would've been easy, leave Niko in Europe.

Do a sign and trade which would've included Butler, Niko and some other shyt.

If Melo wanted to come to Chicago, he would've been in Chicago.

Melo got what he wanted, to feel pursued, something he missed out on in 2010 and damn near the max.

 

[jwinfield]

 

[23Barrettcity]

IIRC, there were only 2 ways to get Melo close to the full max.

Trade Taj/Dun and some other shyt, which would've been easy, leave Niko in Europe.

Do a sign and trade which would've included Butler, Niko and some other shyt.

If Melo wanted to come to Chicago, he would've been in Chicago.

Melo got what he wanted, to feel pursued, something he missed out on in 2010 and damn near the max.

Timely manner?

Melo resigned with the Knicks on July 12, 11 days after FA opened.

We've seen plenty of FA periods with teams making a bunch of moves to free up more cap space.

We should've traded Taj, told Niko to resign in Europe because he wasn't coming over, traded both 1st rounders for future picks and then hope to get an agreement from Melo.

Because I'm sure if Melo said, I want to come to the Bulls, but only for the full max, it would've taken the Bulls two months to make the moves to free up that cap space

Taj was in the recruiting meetings ! So melo should believe that the Bulls were going to trade him ? The bulls handled the pitch wrong and the articles were saying the Bulls didn't want to give melo the 96 million anyway to try and keep the team together. Not to mention your front office doesn't have the best reputation . Melo could of just signed back with the Knicks soon as he was able too yet he waited days later for what ? In your mind there was nothing the Bulls could of done to show they wanted melo ? Be real man

 

[jwinfield]

Taj was in the recruiting meetings ! So melo should believe that the Bulls were going to trade him ?

Yes

Do you think if Melo said he was ready to sign on the dotted line only if we could offer the full max, we wouldn't trade Taj?

There were reports that the Bulls had deals lined up to make that happen if Melo gave them the word.

The bulls handled the pitch wrong and the articles were saying the Bulls didn't want to give melo the 96 million anyway to try and keep the team together.

Of course, the initial plan was to have Melo join with the space we had so we wouldn't have to break up the team.

The goal was to sell Melo on a starting 5 of:

Noah
Gibson
Melo
Butler
Rose

being a contender out the gate. That's why Noah and Gibson were in the meetings, to sell him on that.

If he wanted the money, we would've made the moves to free up the necessary space, meaning Taj would've been out of there.

In your mind there was nothing the Bulls could of done to show they wanted melo?

Trading a bunch of assets before getting an agreement is the only way to show we wanted him?

http://www.csnchicago.com/bulls/melo-plan-how-bulls-will-sign-carmelo-anthony

The Bulls are expected to use the amnesty provision on Carlos Boozer, and doing that (and that alone) will give them about $13 million in cap space to use on Anthony this summer. Carmelo may want to play for a contender, but he’s not going to sign here for $13 million. The Bulls front office will need to free up at least $17 million, and likely $18 million, to lure Melo.

The Bulls can give themselves an additional $800k in space by drafting a European player like Clint Capela with the 19th overall pick and then entering an agreement with Capela that he won’t play in the NBA next season

They need to create more space and the top expendable player under contract is Mike Dunleavy Jr. If the Bulls trade him to a contender for a 2nd round pick, they will free up an additional $2.83 million for Anthony. This subtotal gives us $16.18 million for Melo. Good, but not great.

Let’s be conservative though and assume $16.18 million is not enough for Melo. The next player likely to be moved is Jimmy Butler. Like Dunleavy, the Bulls would also have to unload Butler for a future 2nd round pick. Moving Butler frees up another $1.51 million for Melo, giving the seven-time All-Star a first year salary of $17.7 million with the Bulls. If Anthony insists on getting a near-max, or max deal then the Bulls would have to unload Taj Gibson.

So give up Butler, Taj, Dun for future picks, tell Niko to stay in Europe, without getting an agreement

 

[philmonroe]

Timely manner?

Melo resigned with the Knicks on July 12, 11 days after FA opened.

We've seen plenty of FA periods with teams making a bunch of moves to free up more cap space.

We should've traded Taj, told Niko to resign in Europe because he wasn't coming over, traded both 1st rounders for future picks and then hope to get an agreement from Melo?

Because I'm sure if Melo said, I want to come to the Bulls, but only for the full max, it would've taken the Bulls two months to make the moves to free up that cap space

Man you got to pardon these dudes right now him and corner talking wild emo right now. They making moves that if they don't pan out which probably would've still been the case would have gotten killed by fans probably including him so don't see how dudes can co sign that move. I honestly try to stay away from saying stuff like that where personally I know I'd be pissed they did all that and got nothing to show from it. Melo would to have given the secret agreement before I made them moves period.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Man you got to pardon these dudes right now him and corner talking wild emo right now. They making moves that if they don't pan out which probably would've still been the case would have gotten killed by fans probably including him so don't see how dudes can co sign that move. I honestly try to stay away from saying stuff like that where personally I know I'd be pissed they did all that and got nothing to show from it. Melo would to have given the secret agreement before I made them moves period.

Dude you coming in on the ass end of a conversation assuming what someone opinion is. I agree that a silent agreement should have been in place before a move was made, where we differ is , they believe he had no intention to come, I believe he did have intentions to bolt, he just wanted his money.

It's why I scratched my head when taj was in on the meetings because he would have not been part of the plans. And noah had value as well. Now we talking moving noah now when we could have gotten something really nice for him last season. This is why I said it was embarrassing. If you want a star like melo you create a situation he can't say no to. This front office can't seem to get that done.

I would love to believe they were being smart and didn't want to do anything until melo committed. But this is the incompetence of gar pax, it's very possible these idiots wanted melo to take that 15 mill or so and sell him on the paycut simply because they didn't want to make the necessary moves.

Look at the track record of these fools, the deals they turned down because they didn't want to part with late 1st rd picks or some shyt like that, my scenario is very possible.

 

[McPiff]

Just noticed the troll ron et drake in the background

 

[jwinfield]

If Melo wanted to leave N.Y. he would've left.

The idea that he really wanted to come to Chicago, but didn't because he thought Taj being at the meeting meant they really didn't want him and neither him nor his agent communicated with the Bulls to see where we stood, is ridiculous.

 

[philmonroe]

Dude you coming in on the ass end of a conversation assuming what someone opinion is. I agree that a silent agreement should have been in place before a move was made, where we differ is , they believe he had no intention to come, I believe he did have intentions to bolt, he just wanted his money.

It's why I scratched my head when taj was in on the meetings because he would have not been part of the plans. And noah had value as well. Now we talking moving noah now when we could have gotten something really nice for him last season. This is why I said it was embarrassing. If you want a star like melo you create a situation he can't say no to. This front office can't seem to get that done.

I would love to believe they were being smart and didn't want to do anything until melo committed. But this is the incompetence of gar pax, it's very possible these idiots wanted melo to take that 15 mill or so and sell him on the paycut simply because they didn't want to make the necessary moves.

Look at the track record of these fools, the deals they turned down because they didn't want to part with late 1st rd picks or some shyt like that, my scenario is very possible.

My dude you proving it right now whether I came in at the tail end of the convo or not. I heard and commented on this madness before you were talking and you didn't reply. I don't know why you reply now just because I felt you were feeling some type of way and said so. That don't look emotional to you and its not even a bad thing its just you aren't being reasonable on this to me that's all.

I also think you want him to have wanted to come just so you can say another fukk up by the FO but if it was all about money and Melo wanted to come here soo bad he would have let that be known by some type of back channels. These dudes talk just like before the big 3 formed in Mia they talked and made back door agreements. That's all people lie, us are saying that we don't think dude wanted to come as much as some of y'all think because they would have made the moves but not beforehand. Are you also saying if they did the cap moves and didn't get Melo you'd be cool with that? I wouldn't.

I won't say your scenario is impossible but I really think the one we are saying happened happened and yes the front office makes dumb moves but this one isn't one of them IMO but they are running out of time probably so if this don't work with Freddy boy you'll get your wish.

 

[JMurder]

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I'm not going to go in nor did I ever believe that chicago was a better situation than what they put together in miami. Pat Riley wade and bosh are established.

Rose was not mvp rose yet thibs was a unknown. I think if we had a Crack to sell the team to bosh wade or bron after that 2011 season then 1 or 2 of them join us.

No way - I think Chicago would have been a far better situation for Lebron.

Wade/Bosh/Lebron had very overlapping skill sets. The 4th-best player was Haslem, yet another 4. No meaningful members (other than Haslem and Wade) had played together. And lacking any sort of center/point guard was an enormous gap on that team.

Chicago, on the other hand, had fantastic established young talent at the point and center and solid depth everywhere.

Derrick Rose (21): Averaged 21-4-6 on 49% shooting the previous year, looked great in the playoffs, everyone knew he was a star.
Luol Deng (24): 18-7-2 on 47% shooting, had a three-point shot, fantastic two-way player.
Lebron (25) 28-7-7 kind of guy
Carlos Boozer (28): 20-11-3 guy on 56% shooting the previous year (not on Bulls yet, but they knew they could sign him) - or Bosh if they could have made that happen
Joakim Noah (24): 11-11-2-1-2 guy on 51% shooting the previous year and strong defense

How is that not the best roster in the NBA? They have scoring in the frontcourt and backcourt both, dominant defense at center and swingman both, a shooter, immediately would have been the best rebounding team in the league, no weakness at any position. The only problem I saw back then was that Rose and Lebron both wanted the ball in their hands, but that was a problem with Lebron/Wade too. And look how young they are - everyone but Boozer was just going to keep getting better.

Then on the bench, they had a great frontcourt guy (Taj Gibson, 9/8/1 the year before and only 24), and had the flexibility to sing a couple shooters.

And Thibs was a new coach, but he was highly regarded and no one thought anything of Spolstra.

As long as Rose and Lebron could have coexisted, I think Lebron would have absolutely beasted for Chicago. The weaknesses on Miami's roster were so much more apparent. Lebron also would have taken pressure off of Rose...which may have kept him healthier.