MalickSyXShabbaz
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Brorher please don't quote me.You got a quote which denounces slavery as an institution?
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MalickSyXShabbaz
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And Allah sets forth the example of a society which was safe and at ease, receiving its provision in abundance from all directions. But its people met Allah’s favours with ingratitude, so Allah made them taste hunger and fear for their misdeeds.
-Sura An-Nahl, Ayah 11
-Sura An-Nahl, Ayah 11
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Are you Indian?
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yet in thewake of this crisis you will find rich men and scientist playing god
[QUOTE="TopBoy, post: 37120886, member: 35502"]Islam was created as religion for Arabs. This is fact. The early Arabs didn’t even want the people they conquered to convert.
Whatever an individual chooses to follow is their business but I personally do feel a type of way about any black person who follows any of the Abrahamic religions.[/QUOTE]
Islam is meant for everyone not just Arabs, this is why most of the people that practice Islam today live outside of Arabia. It is why the largest population of Muslims today live outside Arabia. Its a religion for everyone. The early Arabs that practiced Islam were actually ridiculed and persecuted by other Arabs for even practicing Islam.
Whatever an individual chooses to follow is their business but I personally do feel a type of way about any black person who follows any of the Abrahamic religions.[/QUOTE]
Islam is meant for everyone not just Arabs, this is why most of the people that practice Islam today live outside of Arabia. It is why the largest population of Muslims today live outside Arabia. Its a religion for everyone. The early Arabs that practiced Islam were actually ridiculed and persecuted by other Arabs for even practicing Islam.
Keep running your mouth and I won't pay you for the cleaning work you done around my Nairobi housewe have people like @Ikwa who are islamic and STILL brag about keeping bantu slaves posting here.
first I'm hearing of this anti slavery stance.
fantasies. one day you can live up to them hopefullyKeep running your mouth and I won't pay you for the cleaning work you done around my Nairobi house
Nairobi homes are not cheap but they do got tents for you by the border.
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Islam is meant for everyone not just Arabs, this is why most of the people that practice Islam today live outside of Arabia. It is why the largest population of Muslims today live outside Arabia. Its a religion for everyone. The early Arabs that practiced Islam were actually ridiculed and persecuted by other Arabs for even practicing Islam.[/QUOTE]
That doesn’t change what I said. When Muhammad went on campaign in the Hejaz it was to unite Arabs.
The Caliphs that followed were not interested in converting conquered peoples. I agree with you that Islam is now a universal religion but that was not always the case.
Seeing as the OP has decided to ignore me can you explain how God who is all knowing can condone slavery? I’m sure you believe slavery is evil so are you more moral than God and Muhammad?
Don't let the bit of money I've been sending your way get to your head. You still have to sleep in Kibera every nightfantasies. one day you can live up to them hopefully
Nairobi homes are not cheap but they do got tents for you by the border.
That doesn’t change what I said. When Muhammad went on campaign in the Hejaz it was to unite Arabs.
The Caliphs that followed were not interested in converting conquered peoples. I agree with you that Islam is now a universal religion but that was not always the case.
Seeing as the OP has decided to ignore me can you explain how God who is all knowing can condone slavery? I’m sure you believe slavery is evil so are you more moral than God and Muhammad?[/QUOTE]
You said Islam was created as a religion for Arabs.
That is what you said.
I said if that is the case then why do non Arabs love Islam so much? Are the over 1 billion non Arab muslims all insane? If Islam is for Arabs only, then why did it take over the world? Why did the world embrace it?
You have no answer it seems because you typed more things that I now have to re explain again below.
Listen. Islam never changed. You cannot say that Islam somehow became a universal religion. That is more nonsense, why would you think that? If the people in leadership around Islam changed over time you dont have to let their actions, the actions of men, confuse you. Focus on the religion itself. The same ISlam that was there when Muhammad went on the campaign in the Hejaz is the same ISlam that was there when the Caliphs followed, is the same Islam that is here today. ISlam has never changed since it came. The Quran never changed since it came. Ramadan never changed. Zakat never changed. These are the priciples of the religion. The religion never changed. Get your facts strait. So if it is as you say a universal religion today, then it has always been a universal religion from the start because it never changed. What has changed is the actions of men and that is where i think you are getting twisted. The king of Saudi Arabia is a nobody under the eyes of Islam. He is nothing. Do not be confused. He does not represent Islam anymore than Bush and Cheney. Thats not how it works.
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You said Islam was created as a religion for Arabs.
That is what you said.
I said if that is the case then why do non Arabs love Islam so much? Are the over 1 billion non Arab muslims all insane? If Islam is for Arabs only, then why did it take over the world? Why did the world embrace it?
You have no answer it seems because you typed more things that I now have to re explain again below.
Listen. Islam never changed. You cannot say that Islam somehow became a universal religion. That is more nonsense, why would you think that? If the people in leadership around Islam changed over time you dont have to let their actions, the actions of men, confuse you. Focus on the religion itself. The same ISlam that was there when Muhammad went on the campaign in the Hejaz is the same ISlam that was there when the Caliphs followed, is the same Islam that is here today. ISlam has never changed since it came. The Quran never changed since it came. Ramadan never changed. Zakat never changed. These are the priciples of the religion. The religion never changed. Get your facts strait. So if it is as you say a universal religion today, then it has always been a universal religion from the start because it never changed. What has changed is the actions of men and that is where i think you are getting twisted. The king of Saudi Arabia is a nobody under the eyes of Islam. He is nothing. Do not be confused. He does not represent Islam anymore than Bush and Cheney. Thats not how it works.[/QUOTE]
Your words Islam has never changed. Islam condoned slavery in the 7th century. Do you agree with this?
Muslims enslaved Africans in East Africa, North Africa and Arabia for centuries. Do you think that was ok?
Your words Islam has never changed. Islam condoned slavery in the 7th century. Do you agree with this?
Muslims enslaved Africans in East Africa, North Africa and Arabia for centuries. Do you think that was ok?[/QUOTE]
Apology accepted.
Never forget. Islam IS and has always been a universal religion. It is not nor has it ever been an Arab only thing.
Ok. Now onto your next questions.
First I feel the need to explain the concept of generalizations and why you should not use them.In everyday language, a generalization is defined as a broad statement or an idea that is applied to a group of people or things. Often, generalizations are not entirely true, because there are usually examples of individuals or situations wherein the generalization does not apply. SO for example when you make a sentence like ''Muslims enslaved Africans in East Africa, North Africa and Arabia for centuries.''
What can I say. are you saying ALL musilms did that? Every single one of them personally did that? Really? Because even if there was just a single muslim that didnt, it invalidates your statement making it a false statement. If you think carefully you'll realize Its an illogical thing to even say. Muslims did that did they? Oh ok. They must be terrible people. The lot of them. Every single muslim that ever existed must be a devil. What about non muslims then? Did non musims ever do that too? They did? Oh OK so by your logic absolutely everybody in the world is terrible then........See Things are a little more complicated than that. No, you cant cherry pick through history and try and pick events by one party in isolation with no context and try and ascribe some general meaning to an associated group with no regard for any other aspect of their human experience other than the one you're trying to critique. Please. Kill that noise. Islam is anti slavery. Islam paved the way for the abolishment of slavery from the world. It started the trend of freeing slaves.