this dude bron is pound for pound the most versatile player ever

[Draje]

This topic is crazy. Lebron is finally getting actual respect from a multitude of fanbases.

 

[#1 pick]

Because MJ accomplished more and was ungodly talented in every aspect of basketball.

Here's the thing, this isn't 2004. You can't say shyt like MJ is better and more ungodly. We have full MJ games on youtube. You can watch MJ play and you can see he's not as good as Lebron. You can see that illegal defense was far more effective to MJ's dominance. You can see hand checking not do shyt to MJ because he's was just to strong/quick or just extremely quick. You can see this shyt right now on youtube.

I don't see Kobe or MJ being in Lebron's tier. Maybe if you are asking me who's more profitable or marketable, I'll easily choose MJ then Kobe. But better BB player. Lebron is the most talented and gifted I've seen since Wilt. He's a genius like Magic on the court. He is one of the most intelligent players I've seen. He's God's gift to Basketball

 

[Champ_KW]

Here's the thing, this isn't 2004. You can't say shyt like MJ is better and more ungodly. We have full MJ games on youtube. You can watch MJ play and you can see he's not as good as Lebron. You can see that illegal defense was far more effective to MJ's dominance. You can see hand checking not do shyt to MJ because he's was just to strong/quick or just extremely quick. You can see this shyt right now on youtube.

I don't see Kobe or MJ being in Lebron's tier. Maybe if you are asking me who's more profitable or marketable, I'll easily choose MJ then Kobe. But better BB player. Lebron is the most talented and gifted I've seen since Wilt. He's a genius like Magic on the court. He is one of the most intelligent players I've seen. He's God's gift to Basketball

This is a flawed assessment. How can Bron be a better basketball player when his skill set isn't as good? MJ post game is better, mid range is better, you're watching a guy that grew up with the 3 pt line playing in his 12th yr shooting less than 20% from 3 in the playoffs right now, MJ was a better defender (wake me up when Bron post 100 blocks and 200 steals in a season.....even though he's bigger), and MJ simply won in the Finals everytime he showed up. When measuring Bron, it comes with a lot of hyperbole. People love to champion his "all around" game, yet MJ is the one with 10 triple doubles in 11 games. People love to classify MJ as just simply a better scorer, yet his career high in points also came with 18 rebounds. What MJ was on the basketball court can't be quantified into these weirdo stat capsules like "most 33 point, 6 assist, 5 rebound, 2 steals" that ESPN prop up to give you an "idea" of what Bron is doing. Nobody had to do that with MJ. Just watch them play. Don't lose context in the rush to proclaim something as "black and white".....there's too much gray area. Watch 260 lb Bron pound the rock into the ground and settle for a long 18 foot shot with 200 lb Kent Bazemore guarding him......then watch MJ turn his back as soon as he sees someone like that and proceed to work the post. MJ was simply a superior "basketball" player. Bron just won the gene lottery.

 

[The_Third_Man]

Top 5 of all-time

 

[BXKingPin82]

Kenny said Lebron basically taking the New York Knicks to the NBA Finals

Carmelo Anthony should be tied up and thrown in the Hudson
thats fukkin embarrassing

 

[Tallac]

It's what makes the coli the coli brother. I will say hating on Lebron was way more fun when he was a Heat. shyt I might even root for him against them cocky ass warriors.

LWO is blessing the Cavs? With LeBron?

 

[#1 pick]

This is a flawed assessment. How can Bron be a better basketball player when his skill set isn't as good? MJ post game is better, mid range is better, you're watching a guy that grew up with the 3 pt line playing in his 12th yr shooting less than 20% from 3 in the playoffs right now, MJ was a better defender (wake me up when Bron post 200 blocks and 100 steals in a season.....even though he's bigger), and MJ simply won in the Finals everytime he showed up. When measuring Bron, it comes with a lot of hyperbole. People love to champion his "all around" game, yet MJ is the one with 10 triple doubles in 11 games. People love to classify MJ as just simply a better scorer, yet his career high in points also came with 18 rebounds. What MJ was on the basketball court can't be quantified into these weirdo stat capsules like "most 33 point, 6 assist, 5 rebound, 2 steals" that ESPN prop up to give you an "idea" of what Bron is doing. Nobody had to do that with MJ. Just watch them play. Don't lose context in the rush to proclaim something as "black and white".....there's too much gray area. Watch 260 lb Bron pound the rock into the ground and settle for a long 18 foot shot with 200 lb Kent Bazemore guarding him......then watch MJ turn his back as soon as he sees someone like that and proceed to work the post. MJ was simply a superior "basketball" player. Bron just won the gene lottery.

MJ post game wasn't better nor is it close to Lebron's at this stage of James career compared to MJ's prime of his. Lebron can post up 1-4. MJ couldn't. Saying MJ posting up guards better is fine except Lebron can post up 1-4. That makes a massive difference in terms of defensive scheme for a coach.

Mid range is a lot harder due to zone defenses and in today's NBA. Saying otherwise is stupid. I can post videos to show you why it is so much easier to shoot mid range shots in the 80's and 90's than today. The three point basket is far more important in today's NBA.

Throw out anomalies my friends. 20% is not equal to his previous 3pt performances in previous playoffs. It's an anomaly.

MJ is not close to as good a defender as James. James covers a lot more ground and is a defensive anchor in terms of communication. MJ was never that. He was a great team defender and can situation be a dominate man defender but Lebron is all of those things and he's a defensive anchor. Throwing out numbers like blocks and steals is pointless when defensive impact is really the point of reference. That's how you dictate who is a great perimeter defender. Hell, Lebron is also a good post defender and can defend PF's to good success.

Triple doubles are indicative of all around game. Impact is. I seen Jordan Crawford get triple doubles with high ball usage and rebounding. Lebron creates for his teammates, he makes the right decision passing the ball, he doesn't have this scorers mentality like MJ and Kobe. He's more of a PG with the ability to score. Saying MJ has the all around game on Lebron is a misnomer. He doesn't. MJ's triple doubles are more like . Of course, MJ is better and no one is saying otherwise but the type of triple doubles he has is similar where he is more of a scorer mentality type.

What MJ was on the basketball court can't be quantified into these weirdo stat capsules like "most 33 point, 6 assist, 5 rebound, 2 steals" that ESPN prop up to give you an "idea" of what Bron is doing. Nobody had to do that with MJ. Just watch them play.

huh? If this ain't a hyperbole, I don't know what is.

Watch 260 lb Bron pound the rock into the ground and settle for a long 18 foot shot with 200 lb Kent Bazemore guarding him......then watch MJ turn his back as soon as he sees someone like that and proceed to work the post.

That's the issue with Lebron in discussions. A lot of ya'll don't like how he does his business. MJ was smooth. MJ was like a swan. Bron is more like a Mack Truck. At the end of the day, it's never going to be about reality, it's will always be emotionally driven.

 

[fifth column]

MJ post game wasn't better nor is it close to Lebron's at this stage of James career compared to MJ's prime of his. Lebron can post up 1-4. MJ couldn't. Saying MJ posting up guards better is fine except Lebron can post up 1-4. That makes a massive difference in terms of defensive scheme for a coach.

Mid range is a lot harder due to zone defenses and in today's NBA. Saying otherwise is stupid. I can post videos to show you why it is so much easier to shoot mid range shots in the 80's and 90's than today. The three point basket is far more important in today's NBA.

Throw out anomalies my friends. 20% is not equal to his previous 3pt performances in previous playoffs. It's an anomaly.

MJ is not close to as good a defender as James. James covers a lot more ground and is a defensive anchor in terms of communication. MJ was never that. He was a great team defender and can situation be a dominate man defender but Lebron is all of those things and he's a defensive anchor. Throwing out numbers like blocks and steals is pointless when defensive impact is really the point of reference. That's how you dictate who is a great perimeter defender. Hell, Lebron is also a good post defender and can defend PF's to good success.

Triple doubles are indicative of all around game. Impact is. I seen Jordan Crawford get triple doubles with high ball usage and rebounding. Lebron creates for his teammates, he makes the right decision passing the ball, he doesn't have this scorers mentality like MJ and Kobe. He's more of a PG with the ability to score. Saying MJ has the all around game on Lebron is a misnomer. He doesn't. MJ's triple doubles are more like . Of course, MJ is better and no one is saying otherwise but the type of triple doubles he has is similar where he is more of a scorer mentality type.


huh? If this ain't a hyperbole, I don't know what is.


That's the issue with Lebron in discussions. A lot of ya'll don't like how he does his business. MJ was smooth. MJ was like a swan. Bron is more like a Mack Truck. At the end of the day, it's never going to be about reality, it's will always be emotionally driven.

MJ is better no matter what spin is put on the numbers. The eye test and numbers favor MJ. The championships is a team thing so I won't mention the 6 rings

 

[#1 pick]

MJ is better no matter what spin is put on the numbers. The eye test and numbers favor MJ. The championships is a team thing so I won't mention the 6 rings

This is false. This is an opinion laced statement. The only thing true is the rings and he had the best team each time he was in the playoffs. He had Scottie Pippen. MJ literally retired and they lost only two more games that next year with Pippen at the helm.

 

[fifth column]

This is false. This is an opinion laced statement. The only thing true is the rings and he had the best team each time he was in the playoffs. He had Scottie Pippen. MJ literally retired and they lost only two more games that next year with Pippen at the helm.

How many did they lose the year after the 2 less wins? I'm assuming they would sustain excellence after MJ right?

 

[#1 pick]

How many did they lose the year after the 2 less wins? I'm assuming they would sustain excellence after MJ right?

They made it to the 2nd round and lost in game 7. Clearly MJ is the difference between a 50 win team and NBA Title. Think about it, I am able to add the best player in the NBA to a 50 win team.

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

I don't think that we all want to go the impact route if you are rooting for Jordan in this regard. LeBron left the Cavs and got the #1 pick three of four years. He comes back, they are two games within the NBA Finals. You can say the additions helped, but the eye test tells me that LeBron is pulling all of the strings.

 

[fifth column]

I'm not about to debate that MJ is goat But we will revisit and compare Lebron to MJ after Cavs win the title this year to bolster Bron's stats a little

 

[noodles]

The Haks are so weak...got people comparing Bron to Jordan...lol

Let him win more rings first..

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

i don't see why shaq always gets lumped into these convos. yes he is an all time great (top 10 no doubt) but he doesn't rank next to guys like jordan and lebron. shaq leaned too heavily on his teammates compared to those guys.

jordan/lebron + 4 bums > shaq + 4 bums.