I agree and i dont have the stats but shard AND hedo were on at the same damn time that series . Klay thompson been pretty ass in the playoffs so its like if him and curry on at same time.
though I'm sure they didn't shoot as many threes
this dude bron is pound for pound the most versatile player ever
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though I'm sure they didn't shoot as many threes
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Well to be fair, NBA was a lot more fast paced in the 80s, so MJ got way more possesions
So per 70 possessions (around the equivalent of playing 36 minutes in today's NBA)
Jordan 88 and 89 seasons combined
29.3 5.9 6.0 2.6 1.1 608 TS%
LeBron 2009 and 2010 seasons combined (per 70 poss as well)
28.3 7.2 7.7 1.6 1.1 .598 TS%
Kobe Bryant 06+07 (his 2 best stastical seasons but he barelly even make the playoffs one of the seasons. So these stats are somewhat less impressive to begin with, not to mention overall weaker than the 2 above but just for shyts and giggles)
29.9 4.9 4.4 1.5 0.4 .568 TS%
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TO BE FAIR. When Jordan had the rat pack, he was losing to Larry, McHale, Isaiah, Dumars, Parish, Rodman, and still making deep into the playoffs. LBJ beat a 30 win Celtics team, a hobbled Chicago team with an apprehensive Drose, and in the ECF he's currently facing a team who starts Kyle Korver. I'm not even one of these old head MJ D riders, nor am I a LBJ hater, buuuut MJ was losing to guys who are regarded as the top 25 players of all-time. I don't think there was a single future Hall Of Famer on any of the eastern conference teams LBJ has had to face this year. The closest semblance of a future hall of famer LBJ faced so far is Pau Gasol, and he missed most of the series. Rose is the only other potential future HOF'er.
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No, I'm saying that making the finals or playoffs isn't a bad thing or make Lebron worse.
Holy leap in logic and assumptions, Batman! I didn't say he was invincible or perfect, I said he's a better 5 on 5 player than Kobe.
Just about time for an avi change isn't it @malcolmxxx_45
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I'd have no problem putting LBJ top 3 all time. But better than MJ? LBJ better passer, more versatile. MJ, better defender, just as efficient of a scorer(maybe even more efficient considering the volume of his shots compared to LBJ) LBJ better rebounder. All things considered, MJ's PER in all six of his finals apperances eclipse at least 3 of LBJ's final appearances, if not all of them. LBJ's had some baaaad finals.
TO BE FAIR. When Jordan had the rat pack, he was losing to Larry, McHale, Isaiah, Dumars, Parish, Rodman, and still making deep into the playoffs. LBJ beat a 40 win Celtics team, a hobbled Chicago team with an apprehensive Drose, and in the ECF he's currently facing a team who starts Kyle Korver. I'm not even one of these old head MJ D riders, nor am I a LBJ hater, buuuut MJ was losing to guys who are regarded as the top 25 players of all-time. I don't think there was a single future Hall Of Famer on any of the eastern conference teams LBJ has had to face this year. The closest semblance of a future hall of famer LBJ faced so far is Pau Gasol, and he missed most of the series. Rose is the only other potential future HOF'er.
Mike was also playing with another HOF and an all-star PF. Bron is doing this will Delly, Iman Shumpert and two journeyman level big men.
Jordan's comp was better, his surrounding cast was better too. Especially since Kyrie has been hobbled.
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So all things considered, it all evens out. The poster I was replying to, was implying LBJ is better than Jordan because LBJ is about to take a group of Knick rejects to the Finals. While impressive, you also have to look at the level of competition MJ was faced with when he'd continuously lose in the east. While we've seen LBJ overachieve with a group of bums, we've also seen him before underachieve playing alongside another future hall of famer. We've seen a prime LeBron with actual HELP, lose in an NBA finals.
Yeah no doubt. Bron did more with less with Cleveland in the past and now, but he had no comp in the East (outside of Boston) once he joined Miami and no way MJ loses that finals to Dallas.
It will be interesting to see how history looks at Bron's career. 6 finals is impressive and will only have had the better team in 3 of them.
Where was the HOF and all star PF his first 3 seasons in the league?!?!?
Also, pippen and grant weren't ready to help the bulls win until 1990
you want to compare mj in years 1 through 3 to lebron in his 12th year
I dont think that is what he is trying to say breh.... but check this...
yall do know MJ NEVER played on a winning team that DIDNT include Pip right? Pip did play on winning teams that didnt include Mike tho.
remember that year Scottie missed like the first 35 games or some shyt and the Bulls were right around .500 in the very beginning? They ended up losing 11 of their first 35 games (the games Pip missed) but when he returned they only lost 8 out of their final 46 games.
Pippen also nearly made it to the finals when MJ retired and carried the Bulls to a 55 win season. When MJ was gone, Pip became the 2nd player to lead his team in points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals.
I think the only guy in recent history to even come close to doing that was Fat Lever back in 89 when he lead the Nuggets in all those categories except blocks.
When you go back and look at the year after teams lost their superstar players, Bird, Magic, Russell, Wilt.......and Lebron.....look at how many games their record dropped from the year before. All resulted in double-figures difference in the lost column....and when Lebron left.....the Cavs went from best to worst. When Mike retired, the Bulls only lost 2 more games than they did the prior season.
Some of u may not remember this....but MJ was close to being traded to the Clippers the year before Pip arrived. The same thing they said about Kobe after Shaq left, they said about Mike. They doubted he could ever win. They said he was a great scorer and individual player but doubted he could carry a team to the finals even. Remember, up to that time, he was 5 years in and had only won 1 playoff game. (but people often criticize T-Mac for this, and he played with garbage players)
The Bulls pondered trading MJ. Likewise with the Lakers and Kobe. There are only a few players who have never even been considered to be "traded" during their primes. Lebron is one of those players. He's turned garbage teams into 60 plus win teams. Jordan and Kobe never did that.
Oh..and back to that season where Pip missed those 35 games...MJ went on record to say had he known that he would not have came back. He said numerous times he would not play without Pippen.
just sayin
the bulls made the playoffs in MJs first 3 years in the league without pippen.
Every year he was healthy the bulls win total improved
84 - before mj - 29 wins
85 - with mj - 38 wins
86 - mj misses 64 games 30 wins
87 - with mj 40 wins
the bulls were improving every year. Forgive him if there was less teams in the league but 8 teams still made the playoffs and he had to face teams like the pistons, celtics, sizxers, cavs, andn hawks (5 or 6 fukkin times in a season)
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8 or 24 best player of the era
Making the playoffs and not succedding makes him worse. And no, hes not a better 5 on 5 player, especially when the stakes are highest. 5-7 is eternally better than 2-5.
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You said nikka made the offs, but forgot to mention said record
the bulls made the playoffs in MJs first 3 years in the league without pippen.
Every year he was healthy the bulls win total improved
84 - before mj - 29 wins
85 - with mj - 38 wins
86 - mj misses 64 games 30 wins
87 - with mj 40 wins
the bulls were improving every year. Forgive him if there was less teams in the league but 8 teams still made the playoffs and he had to face teams like the pistons, celtics, sizxers, cavs, andn hawks (5 or 6 fukkin times in a season)
Jordan stans even worse than Kobe stans.
