The BEST route is the entrepreneurial route IMO. That's why I'm learning graphic design. Even if your projects don't work out in the long run...The hustle and the initiative is impressive to potential employers who pay well, the fluidity of being able to do front end and back end is a strong quality and if your business does work out then that's just icing on the cake and the ball is in your court in regards to options.
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Let's stop some of the foolishness.
Yes people live in the bay, SF even making 60-70k and do fine. i don't know where someone got $5-7k for s one bedroom
These startup and tech jobs aren't all fun and games, yes there is a laidback atmosphere but some dude was posting shyt like people are putting in 40 and chilling...no, most coders are putting in way more hours which is the reason these tech companies have so many perks.
I'm not privy to all facets of dev and the whole cert gang, but y'all who don't have 4 year degrees and/or think you'll do a bootcamp with some AA degree and think you'll get a job at the types of companies listed in OP are WAY off base. Now how that translates elsewhere or into other roles outside SV, I can't speak on...but getting on at Google Twitter Facebook or the sexiest startups/unicorns...you need the name brand college killer skills and ability to sell yourself on "fit".
yeah theres a reason these companies have on site gyms, day care, free food, etc. because your black ass aint going home and will be putting in 60+ hours especially at a place like Apple where Product Launches will not be delayed no matter what.
I think it's a risk for people who are lower tier developers. Like you said, a lot of the code that is cranked out isn't always the best and that results in a maintainability problem, and there is the lack of accountability problem. When something's wrong with the app, it's a lot easier to trace the source of the problem and get it fixed when you can talk immediately to the guy who is writing the code. When the code is coming in from overseas from 'whoever', that's a bit different. Also, there is a huge security risk present when you are letting foreigners create your whole app.
newworldafro
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I've been putting hours into this Python on my own. A boot camp would be perfect, but don't have the ability to dedicate 40+ hours to it
Austin Coding Academy is starting up in Houston though and it's only a couple days a week.
Start my masters next year in Statistics and hopefully after I'm done with that will be eating GOOD off of a Data Science roll. Halliburton paying nikkas 150K annually before bonuses for that title here in Houston.
150K in Houston
That's the other academy I was talking about.
Camile.Bidan
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You can live any where if you want to struggle. 25K is a barely above the water salary in most cities. I wouldn't try to live in the City on $70K. I don't want to struggle like that. Maybe in San Jose or Fremont, and commute to the City.
70K in san fran is barely able to live at all. My company pays new staff 70K, and a large percentage of the SF office hires live in Oakland, berkeley, hayward and fremont because they can't afford to live anywhere near the City. They all have to commute or ride the train into the city if they work at the office for the day.
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Camile.Bidan
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Here is an Apartment near the old Hunter's Point Area. Hunter's point isn't as bad as it used to be in the 90's. There no more pimps and hos.
This is 600sft studio for 3000, which is actually very cheap for the city.
Sweet Studio next to AT&T Park
If you are making 70K... take away taxes and that is about $49K. Take away rent (12*3), and you got $13K to spend on a Car and insurance (if you are going to own one), groceries, utilities, and anything else that comes up. You are probably going to have to run up credit card to survive to be honest.
basically, you will have a $1000 a month to cover your phone bill ($100), utilities ($100), Student loan ($100-300), food ($100-300), Gas and anything else. You definitely cannot afford to own a car.
or you could get split a one bedroom with someone?
There are also rent controlled spaces.
It's interesting that you bring this up, because most programmers are in the mindset of "I'm going to be here awhile and grow in the company." You mention "doing your own thing" and they scoff at you. It's fear of risk taking, but i dont want to be beholden to someone who can end my income with a push of the button.
With that being said, you have any tips for a young dude learning Front End? I want to learn back end languages (node.js,python, etc) but I want my foot in the door asap. I'm wondering if freelancing will pay the bills and give me enough on a portfolio. I need to be among other developers so I can grow my skills, instead of watching videos and doing small exercises for 5-6 hours a day. I wish I could afford those bootcamps. I enjoy learning all this, but I'm trying to think of personal projects to do because I still feel the "imposter syndrome". I have a grasp on HTML,CSS,and Bootstrap. I'm going to start Wordpress and Jquery in few days.
My endgame is to have my own business. Don't have to be the best coder for that.Right?
Leave that shyt alone. It's controlled by white women and you got to be mad talented to do it.
I would avoid all shyt where advanced skill is not needed and if it is, it's artistic. White men are white supremacists but they are better than white women in terms of the corporate world.
Now that you mention it damn near every person I have come across that had a base level graphic design job was a white woman. Either that or a gay white man.
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Yep, as someone who worked near both, I can say it's not a field for Black men. Black men as I put need to be in security or coding. Skilled based analysts. The corporate world sees designers like HR employees. It's for women and gay men. That's their range. For us, it's the skills. IT, coding, IT maintenance, Cisco, that's own field. If you navigate well, you can start a business or become an exec in time.
LOL I love doing this shyt man, I might like it even better than coding. It can't hurt to learn how to make good visual stuff..Maybe it'll even get me some artistic white p*ssy
It makes sense tho. You have to be able to differentiate between even the slightest permutations of color and shyt like that. Like interior decorator type shyt...
I don't think id ever do it as a job but it feels sharp to be able to design and code.
Most of the types that do tend to go for artistic white p*ssy but it's a bytch. It's really not the business but it's one area where you can freelance if you are really good.LOL I love doing this shyt man, I might like it even better than coding. It can't hurt to learn how to make good visual stuff..Maybe it'll even get me some artistic white p*ssy
MalikX
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That's with most high paying jobs though. Even if you ran a business, you'd be working round the clock. My friends in finance do 90-100 hours frequently. 60 hours is what, 12 hours a day. I can stomach that but, I'd kill myself if I was doing 100 hours a week.