This Woodstock 99 doc on HBO is wild

[malbaker86]

On another note, I vividly remember Woodstock 99 being on MTV and a young me thinking it was one of the craziest things I'd ever seen up to that point in my life.

I didn't even know many of the bands that were playing but the huge crowds, mosh pits, and wall to wall MTV coverage showcasing the destruction had me looking at the tv like all weekend

Legit spent all weekend looking at them cacs like

lol right!!! I was 13 at the time and was watching it but it was must see TV

 

[Mastamimd]

Linkin Park was right around that period. Coldplay is not hard rock/metal. 70s you had Black Sabbath/Kiss/Led Zepplin. 80s you had Van Halen/GNR/Metallica/too many to name. 90s you had all the Seattle bands/Pantera/Nu metal. Post 2000 who has been a major rock artist? Nickleback?

My bad, I read rock and not hard rock, I got the distinction right before I went to bed but I ain't feel like replying at the time lol(it was 3 in the AM lol) but you're right

 

[The G.O.D II]

Hell most of these “rock bands” today are even worse extensions of nu metal. Imagine dragons and 21 pilot lighters who have drum tracks and synths. They basically just cut out the actual guitars and drums from Limp Bizkit/Korn to keep the DJ

 

[Mastamimd]

Hell most of these “rock bands” today are even worse extensions of nu metal. Imagine dragons and 21 pilot lighters who have drum tracks and synths. They basically just cut out the actual guitars and drums from Limp Bizkit/Korn to keep the DJ

Cheaper to make the sounds on DAWs than hiring a instrumentalist...it's like that across every genre.

 

[Dushane Hill]

Anyone got a link for this ?

 

[Mastamimd]

Anyone got a link for this ?

Woodstock.99.Peace.Love.and.Rage.2021.720p.WEBRip.800MB.x264- .mp4.9776.21993 at Streamtape.com

 

[pickles]

Can any of the gen x or older millennial dudes on here speak on whether there's any truth to the whole "people and musicians in the early 90's were super progressive and accepting because of Cobain and grunge" thing they were trying to push? I was born in 93 so I don't really know, but it's hard to believe that was the case. If you told me that white male entitlement and rage manifested differently in a very small and specific slice of mainstream music I could maybe believe that, but I can't see it being a real and notable cultural difference

I don't know what Moby was talking about when he said that.

I didn't listen to grunge, I was very young during that time period but what I remember was it appealed to druggie white kids. Just dirty people who were on drugs and were depressed. I just didn't understand the appeal of Kurt Cobain.

This woodstock 99, was not a big deal as I recall.

I don't understand the showers part though, these people couldn't leave the premises? Were they locked in or something?

All of it just looks so gross.


Good for Fred Durst for not listening to the mayor/concert promoter, he is a rockstar, that is some rockstar shyt. He shouldn't have to do crowd control.

 

[jadillac]

Fred without LB was going nowhere ever

 

[Drew Wonder]

Lol I’m not even gonna front, late elementary school through middle school I definitely had a Nu Metal phase. This was my shyt



But yeah, I fukked with Limp Bizkit, Korn and POD for a few years. I also fukked with RATM but they were more funk metal than nu metal

 

[Mastamimd]

Lol I’m not even gonna front, late elementary school through middle school I definitely had a Nu Metal phase. This was my shyt



But yeah, I fukked with Limp Bizkit, Korn and POD for a few years. I also fukked with RATM but they were more funk metal than nu metal

Damn I was in high school lol...I liked Rage and got put on to bands like the Deftones later. I remember one of the white kids i knew growing up despised that era(dude was a Rush fan lol)

 

[Drew Wonder]

Damn I was in high school lol...I liked Rage and got put on to bands like the Deftones later. I remember one of the white kids i knew growing up despised that era(dude was a Rush fan lol)

From what I’ve seen most rock fans view RATM as a legitimately great band and don’t lump them in with Nu Metal, especially since they first popped off in the early 90s

As more of a hip hop fan, to me what separates Rage from other rap rock groups is that they actually seemed to embrace and understand the pure essence of hip hop at its best. Like Tom Morrello would emulate a DJ scratching with his guitar while Zack’s lyrics were actually conscious and pro Black, rather than him just copying the over the top macho shyt like Fred Durst was doing

But yeah, I made a thread awhile back about how most of RATM’s white fans, especially the conservative ones, likely didn’t pay attention to or understand their lyrics. A bunch of white frat boys moshing to Malcolm X and Black Panther quotes is hilarious to me

 

[StarClout]

Woodstock also benefitted from the PPV companies being pretty much the 3 there are today: Viewer’s Choice (now InDemand PPV after merging with Request. Aired whatever content wise at time of Woodstock PPV), DirecTV PPV (which aired anything at this point. They were the ones carrying the UFC exclusively at one time in the 90s cause everyone else was dropping them due to violence concerns), and Dish Network PPV (does whatever it wants anyway). The 3 that aired the PPV in the US didn’t give a shyt about what aired on the station as much as the older PPV cos did prior to 1999

Request TV/Cablevision/TCI likely would’ve have wanted some production safeguards in case they needed to pull the plug early for content (they’ve done this with UFC and ECW I believe)

 

[Asicz]

I'm surprised at some of the posts in here.

First off, white people have always been rebellious against authority. It starts when they're rebellious towards their parents at home, then at school. If they're teens and get stopped by cops they're disrespectful. They don't like being told NO...to anything. And short of murder the cops arent usually going to do anything to them, so their rebellion is only encouraged.

As they get older their hormones settle them down naturally, that rebellion still exists in their mind, but they don't have the energy or time to express it physically bc they have jobs, families etc . So then they start to latch onto ideologies. Someone is always trying to "take something away from them". That becomes the conservative cry, "they're taking our country away" , but then along comes the far right ideals of Trump(who actually is the king of I'm white, rich and do whatever I want) and voila, now you've created a moment where not only can they engage in their rebellion again, but they can take it to the extreme.

So yeah, while Woodstock ideals may have been liberal peace, the people there destroying were definitely the Trump supporters of now. And on top of this, you're putting aggressive music acts on the stages at a time when albums were selling millions of copies. Buying an album creates a different bond than streaming.

A highly doubt the Woodstock crowd are Trump supporters of today. That crowd like had 5% future Trump voters just off the nature of the acts that performed.

Liberal white people like live music festivals and everything that goes with it and they like to do stupid shyt at shows, mosh pit, burn shyt etc.

Also Kid Rock was not a Republican icon back then in image and his music.

Acts at Woodstock 99 like Fred Durst, Korn, Ice Cube, Kid Rock, Ice Cube, Cyprus Hill,Rage where in no way representative of Republican ideals in the late 90s.

You guys are starting to fall victim to the revisionist narrative this doc seems to be trying to push.

they are conveniently trying to reach and attach this to the current me too and social justice movement of today when it was just a large concert festival with white people wyldin

 

[Drew Wonder]

A highly doubt the Woodstock crowd are Trump supporters of today. That crowd like had 5% future Trump voters just off the nature of the acts that performed.

Liberal white people like live music festivals and everything that goes with it and they like to do stupid shyt at shows, most post, burn shyt etc.

Also Kid Rock was not a Republican icon back then it and his music.

Acts at Woodstock 99 like Fred Durst, Korn, Ice Cube, Kid Rock, Ice Cube, Cyprus Hill,Rage where in no way representative of Republican ideals in the late 90s.

You guys are starting to fall victim away with the revisionist narrative this doc seems to be trying to push.

they are conveniently trying to reach and the this to the current me too and social justice movement of today when it was just a large concert festival with white people wyldin

Doc was reaching with some of the connections they were making to Trump supporters and yes there was some revisionist history going on. But you’re severely downplaying the drastic changes people go through between high school/college and middle aged. Even your example of Kid Rock not being a Republican icon back then. If he can go through that kind of change then why wouldn't some of his fans?

Plenty of Trump supporters were relatively liberal in the early 2000s. Consider how much PC culture changed. In the 90s the conservative “family values” establishment were considered the snowflakes easily offended by everything so being liberal back then had a much edgier and cooler connotation to it. So for someone who naturally liked being an “edge lord” and “triggering” people it’s pretty easy to see how they could transition from a liberal in the late 90s/early 2000s to a Trump supporter today

Also, don’t even get me started on the amount of racists who were also hip hop fans. It’s very easy for a racist to embrace certain elements of hip hop (the violence, the misogyny) while ignoring other elements (the consciousness and pro Blackness)

 

[StarClout]

The PPV prices were as follows:

1 Day- $29.95
All Weekend- $59.95