Thomas Sowell: Welfare makes excuses for things that are wrong.

[marcuz]

In order to capture the conceptual variable of welfare, we have to measure it across other subjects in order to understand its "crippling" principles as it were. Welfare isnt bad per say, based on the observational data of other populations, nor has it "incentivized complacency" or broken up their family units, and if anything has influenced very positive social and economic outcomes as a whole. In some populations like big business, its been off the charts positive.
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to clarify, your argument is welfare isn't bad because big business (which we're almost completely excluded) benefits from it?

 

[TRY GOD]

White people have benefited from welfare so much so, that they have a SMALLER PROPORTION of their race on welfare. If whites have made enough strides that they Have all the wealth and power, Why do they Still continue to be the highest race of people in america on welfare?

Is that fair to the taxpayers to carry the burden of supporting a majority population on welfare?

I don't think so, but @DEAD7 @SuperCoolP_Cal @OrdellRobbie @acewonders think that we should support a population that has all of the power and wealth with our tax dollars towards welfare as well.

 

[William F. Russell]

Welfare doesnt penalize anyone from trying to work....thats absurd.

And if you actually followed the conversation, you would see that I was responding to your boy who made the specific comment about black work ethic. I quoted him twice. So even if we arent using language directly, there is an understanding of what these anti-black ideas are trying to relay.

Actually read carefully what people are writing and what inspires the responses before just leaping in with an half-baked comment.

The more income you earn while on welfare, the less you'll receive in benefits. This is basic understanding of the system.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

to clarify, your argument is welfare isn't bad because big business (which we're almost completely excluded) benefits from it?

And pretty much all of the western European world which feature far more generous social welfare systems and packages than the black american could ever dream of...why arent they "de-incentivized to work" like the black american supposedly is? According to Thomas Sowell , Jim crow and slavery are "excuses", so its something internal to the black american and the black american only.

 

[NobodyReally]

Hogwash. He reduces problems that we see in the black community to family structure issues caused by government policies that he doesn't agree with, while simultaneously absolving the dominant society of any wrongdoing. That's just lazy.

Yeah there is a bigger ratio of black people on welfare. But guess what? There are more poor black people in the country. Why are there more poor blacks in the country? because up until the 1960s, blacks couldn't even attend state schools that they were paying for in state taxes, much less enjoy the dignity of sitting at a counter and ordering a meal.

Ya'll act like the American middle class was puffed out of thin air. The American middle class was a deliberate construct of the United States Federal government. Specific policies were put in place to help create the middle class, but these policies excluded blacks. The GI bill is the best example, but just as you would expect in 1940s America, black GIs were denied the chance to participate in these programs. In much the same way blacks were largely excluded from from good manufacturing jobs in the northeast and midwest. Let's not forget a large portion of Americans in cities were living in slums until after World War 2 and the construction of Suburbs and the US Highways. But again, blacks were excluded from moving to these neighborhoods.

Buy yeah let's just reduce it to family structure and welfare.

The only reason welfare is almost a four letter word in America is because there is a higher ratio of black people on welfare than whites. This is a cause of great heartache and resentment among white conservatives and racists. I guarantee you if there was a negligible number of black people in America, the US welfare state would be just a robust as that of western Europe. Few people know, but Truman was willing to introduce universal healthcare back in the 40s, but the southern states blocked it because it meant they would have to integrate their hospitals - even though the South would have reaped the biggest benefit of any region.

Yes, and there are plenty studies backing up what you're saying. Polls that show social welfare policies and programs in states with LESS black people are much less stigmatized and supported by whites. They only hate these programs if they feel they are benefiting non-whites.

 

[William F. Russell]

And pretty much all of the western European world which feature far more generous social welfare systems and packages than the black american could ever dream of...why arent they "de-incentivized to work" like the black american supposedly is? According to Thomas Sowell , Jim crow and slavery are "excuses", so its something internal to the black american and the black american only.

Who said they aren't?

 

[No_bammer_weed]

The more income you earn while on welfare, the less you'll receive in benefits. This is basic understanding of the system.

Why would anyone rationally chose to exist on welfare, if there were greater opportunities that were available and accessible, and would be far more financially lucrative and beneficial? Makes zero sense as a theory.

 

[marcuz]

Yes, and there are plenty studies backing up what you're saying. Polls that show social welfare policies and programs in states with LESS black people are much less stigmatized and supported by whites. They only hate these programs if they feel they are benefiting non-whites.

http://melanoidnation.org/did-you-know-the-food-stamp-capital-in-the-u-s-is-a-town-thats-99-white/

 

[ignorethis]

Welfare doesnt penalize anyone from trying to work....thats absurd.

And if you actually followed the conversation, you would see that I was responding to your boy who made the specific comment about black work ethic. I quoted him twice. So even if we arent using language directly, there is an understanding of what these anti-black ideas are trying to relay.

Actually read carefully what people are writing and what inspires the responses before just leaping in with an half-baked comment.

Like many others have said in this thread, it does in certain situations, and only somebody that hasn't been around welfare would think this is true.

My mom was on welfare for a good 2 years after she got laid off, and the only requirement was that she had to apply for work biweekly, she had received a couple of offers but she never accepted between them not paying as much as her former MRI tech job and her being content with the benefits she was getting as a mother of 4 with the father not being in the house.

Keep in mind this is a college educated woman with a degree, all her job offers started at $22/hour; it much worst for woman would wouldn't even make that much.

I'm pretty sure some of ya'll have never even lived in a lower-class black area to be speaking on how to fix the problems. Because saying "welfare can't affect people decisions to work" is some dumb liberal ideologue shyt, not rooted in reality at all.

 

[TRY GOD]

@SuperCoolP_Cal is spinning because he don't got the answers and is taking L's from every angle

L's from me, L's from @No_bammer_weed , L's from @marcuz , L's from @Robbie3000

This topic is a failure and you don't have the answers. But you can have this

 

[DEAD7]

I agree, Why are we focusing on Blacks on welfare when whites, who make up 77% of the population, are also the highest number of people on welfare?

I agree that we should get rid of welfare, and to do it, we must first take it away from the people who benefit the most from it, Crackers.

 

[TRY GOD]

You seem like a fakkit, where do they allow you to post?

and you have a white supremacist quoted in your sig. Figures.

 

[William F. Russell]

Why would anyone rationally chose to exist on welfare, if there were greater opportunities that were available and accessible, and would be far more financially lucrative and beneficial? Makes zero sense as a theory.

People make decisions that result in abuse of the system. Whether out of laziness, sense of hopelessness, or lack of self-esteem, some people remain content collecting government money and food stamps and living in free housing.

 

[William F. Russell]

 

[TRY GOD]

People make decisions that result in abuse of the system. Whether out of laziness, sense of hopelessness, or lack of self-esteem, some people remain content collecting government money and food stamps and living in free housing.

So are you saying that the crackers that @marcuz provided in the link he posted are lazy, since white people make up for the highest users of food stamps in america, in one single town?

http://melanoidnation.org/did-you-know-the-food-stamp-capital-in-the-u-s-is-a-town-thats-99-white/