Thomas Sowell: Welfare makes excuses for things that are wrong.

[DEAD7]

OK



It's sorta of pointless even dissing welfare and these programs if we are going to have a Capitalistic system ........word to @DEAD7
I know i know... we claim to have a 'mixed economy' ..... and not "pure capitalist"......... but the only thing that's 'mixed' is the fact that we supposedly have funds being pumped in By the Fed government ( 1/3 of the total) ........

Spoiler

(unbacked funds pumped by the fed res to make rich people wealthier and to save failed Big Business corps, etc. printed on worthless paper that basically enslaves the bottom 97% of Americans)

but that ties into the moral aspects of capitalism......... or should I say immoral.

I know i know i know......... ethics do not apply to economic systems. Well , has anyone read or heard the speeches and reasons why every economic system on planet earth and in every nation was created. some don't even try to hide it, but for those that do ( like the US ) its fake. We are talking shyt about people on welfare in a way to call them lazy and claim that the system is holding them back and say they are making excuses.
But then when flaws in the systems, Wealth Gaps, disenfranchisement, economic oppression, race politics that affect the finances of certain groups, trickel down economics that only trickle to the upper middle and top classes, etc ---------------
we simple respond with Capitalism has no morals

amoral*


...and we don't claim to have a mixed economy, we do. Period.

 

[At30wecashout]

amoral*

Huge distinction.

 

[boskey]

"The blacks in first half of the 20th century had a decency that is long since gone, but they had that at a time when they were even closer to the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow than are blacks today."

This statement alone is reason enough to never take this dude seriously.

Basically saying "Before civil rights, black people were better behaved"...wow.

 

[DEAD7]

"The blacks in first half of the 20th century had a decency that is long since gone, but they had that at a time when they were even closer to the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow than are blacks today."

This statement alone is reason enough to never take this dude seriously.

Basically saying "Before civil rights, black people were better behaved"...wow.

I don't think its outlandish to say we respected ourselves more back then

 

[Blackking]

Oh absolutely. I say it all the time, and this is with respect to the entire American population, but the only way for things to get better is for them
to get way worse. Everyone who is currently comfortable with the system have little attachment to the ills of those who aren't comfortable.
This doesnt mean that plenty of people couldn't make something of themselves, but even if we win today, we aren't changing anything if we take our
ball and go home once the money is in our pocket.

The country lucked itself into prosperity a few times, many of those eras experienced in post-war economies in which we had the advantage because
another country was blown to bits. The schism is too great at the moment for any real change to happen. Nobody likes change that doesn't produce
tangible and immediate benefits for themselves. This goes for blacks, whites, etc. So in the case of opinions like Thomas Sowell, there is no real
right or wrong answer on how to do these things, the problem is inaction. We never know what works best to alleviate struggling people because
we take baby steps, save for, once again, major programs in post-war economies. The New Deal comes to mind.

I know what I'm about to say is sorta some c00n shyt.....

but

once upon a time, a young blackking wanted to be a GOP politician. I'm more conservative ( if you can't tell by the gun threads, and abortion threads, and other shyt )
but i'm also hood... and use to be poor -- hence stances like this.

What Thomas Sowell is doing isn't right or wrong BUt it's called political posturing. it leads to nothing. i used to be very good at this in debates.
He is 1) identifying an easy target ( wellfare queens, poor people)
2) having a target that automatically generates an image due to media ( like black hood attitude having welfare whore with 46 kids by 43 baby daddies)
3) using something that takes Away or generates fear in most --- and using that to push a larger AGENDA. ( we have done this with islam terrorist and other stuff. )

4) have an agenda ( this dude believes in tickle down economics and pure bootstrap politics for the poor. thats what this is all about...... Even though Sowell is on record saying that what they want is not tickle down economics.............................LOL which it's not but due to 'political posturing from the otherside.(left) ......... thats what we know conservative economic as... And so on and back n forth)

And this isn't even what makes him bad............. because i agree with the basic principles of conservative politics..........

But if you dive deeper you see the REAL agendas and methods of how they want to get this done. Its to abandon the poor and especially minorities into a perm 3rd world statues while the rest of us 'good hard workers' enjoy even more luxury. This is why Ferguson rights - HE calls "ghetto riots'. When speaking on slavery.... he says 'quit complaining about that and move on".... anything that actually created or helps keep the situations going he ignores the history and calls it irrelevant. Type of dude that thinks the stock market and top businesses making profits means that Americans are enjoying a great economy. Any criticism of the police , justice systems, or law enforcement he calls -- Liberal leftist talking points.


that's whats under the surface of this so called conservative politics in the United Sates. it only sounds good and sounds like 'social responsibility' if you ignore the agenda.

peace.

 

[At30wecashout]

"The blacks in first half of the 20th century had a decency that is long since gone, but they had that at a time when they were even closer to the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow than are blacks today."

This statement alone is reason enough to never take this dude seriously.

Basically saying "Before civil rights, black people were better behaved"...wow.

That isn't explicitly what he is saying. Black people had a much more grounded perspective in what storm they had weathered and put
forth rebuilding themselves as their #1 priority. The farther away from tragedy and marginalization you are, the more likely you are to
sleep on your responsibilities to yourself and your community.

You may look at is as him saying "Before civil rights, black people were better behaved", but it can also be read as them knowing firsthand that they
had the first opportunity in a long time to make an existence for themselves that didn't involve having a white man's foot on their necks.

 

[Blackking]

I don't think its outlandish to say we respected ourselves more back then

we respected ourselves more because of the efforts of people who think T. Sowell is delusional.

and what i said in the above post is also true.

 

[mrken12]

This is just a veiled attack at black people using conservative rhetoric. Not even worth entertaining.

 

[Theraflu]

From an economist stand point, I did Econ too sorry I don't agree. Maybe 10-20 years ago but most people who know someone on welfare in 2015 will let you know the good ole days of just sitting on welfare are long gone.

Especially in major cities with gentrification, rising house prices and rising rent welfare just isn't worth it anymore and the welfare queen stereotype is dying fast.

Most of the family members of mine who claimed benefits in the 90s work now.

As people said welfare exists for a reason and as someone who had grew up around people who had to use it when they fell on hard times im glad exists.

 

[Scientific Playa]

What do y'all think about Sowell's stance?

Dude is a 100 dollar word agent for the status quo and power structure. The self hate that emanates from from his mindset is beyond belief. Fella only had one job out in the real world of capitalism and competition. Lost in his narrative is that he used/took advantage of government program (The G.I. Bill) to start his formal education. One could safely wager that he used other government programs to continue his studies He's been nestled in government jobs and academia for most of his public life. There's a long running joke about teachers teach because they can't cut it out in the real world. That's debatable but often repeated up to this day.

I tried to find some info on his marriages but he seems to lead a very private life. I could be wrong but I think he's on that steeze. His choice of mates (race) would help define for me his where he's coming from but everything is hidden or washed from the www. Any black man collecting a stipend from an institute or think tank in America doesn't have the best interest of the black masses in mind and at heart.

The dr. is modern day the plantation house nikka berating the conditions and lack of motivation of the plantation kneegrows at the pleasure of the slave master.

Divorced from his first wife, Alma Jean Parr, he married again in the early 1980s, but remained secretive about his personal life; his name was not even posted on his office door at the Hoover Institute.
http://biography.yourdictionary.com/thomas-sowell



As far as the thread theme on welfare and black poverty. i posted this in hl a few months back.

White poverty exists, ignored

By Leonard Pitts, Jr.

 

[William F. Russell]

What do y'all think about Sowell's stance?

Dude is a 100 dollar word agent for the status quo and power structure. The self hate that emanates from from his mindset is beyond belief. Fella only had one job out in the real world of capitalism and competition. Lost in his narrative is that he used/took advantage of government program (The G.I. Bill) to start his formal education. One could safely wager that he used other government programs to continue his studies He's been nestled in government jobs and academia for most of his public life. There's a long running joke about teachers teach because they can't cut it out in the real world. That's debatable but often repeated up to this day.

I tried to find some info on his marriages but he seems to lead a very private life. I could be wrong but I think he's on that steeze. His choice of mates (race) would help define for me his where he's coming from but everything is hidden or washed from the www. Any black man collecting a stipend from an institute or think tank in America doesn't have the best interest of the black masses in mind and at heart.

The dr. is modern day the plantation house nikka berating the conditions and lack of motivation of the plantation kneegrows at the pleasure of the slave master.

Divorced from his first wife, Alma Jean Parr, he married again in the early 1980s, but remained secretive about his personal life; his name was not even posted on his office door at the Hoover Institute.
http://biography.yourdictionary.com/thomas-sowell



As far as the thread theme on welfare and black poverty. i posted this in hl a few months back.

White poverty exists, ignored

By Leonard Pitts, Jr.

But is his ARGUMENT incorrect? If it is, why do you believe so?

 

[Theraflu]

Also as a tax payer in very apprehensive about people shaming public services and welfare.

People pay into the tax system for a reason and it's not the damn military. I have no problems with my 50% taxes going to schools and people on welfare.

Where will it go otherwise ?!??

 

[Theraflu]

Not true. Corporate greed is only some of the picture. Without rampant corporate greed, we still face the issue of modernization and automation
harming a growing population. The solutions are out there, but again, people don't like change.

We are technologically advancing ourselves out of jobs, and lost arts like agriculture means when a man doesn't have a job, he can't fall back on
hunting and growing food to live on, assuming he wants to take generational leaps backward and not have access to shiny things like Ipads
and the latest Jordans. The entire world culture is due for a shift in perspective.

I discussed this in another thread and I'm glad you're bringing it up too.

With world culture and corporate culture leading to more job automation I really wonder where all the people who used to do those basic things will go and what they'll do.

I'm genuinely intrigued how all these people will fend for themselves..

 

[Theraflu]

But is his ARGUMENT incorrect? If it is, why do you believe so?

I believe him singling out black people as being dependent on the state means people won't take him seriously.

 

[William F. Russell]

This is just a veiled attack at black people using conservative rhetoric. Not even worth entertaining.