Thomas Sowell: Welfare makes excuses for things that are wrong.

[William F. Russell]

A sizable black conservative following is like someone proclaiming to be the tallest midget in the world. It's minuscule. And that's because most black people use common sense and can sense the hatred and resentment from conservatives. It's one of the reasons the Democrat party receives such a large portion of the black vote. As far liberalism, some liberal policies work and some don't, but Liberal aspirations at their best are progressive while conservative aspirations at their best either maintain the status quo or are regressive.

Most of the most landmark moments in this country were a result of Liberal ideas triumphing over conservative ones. Abolition movement, Civil Wary, Civil Rights, Women's Rights, Gay Rights etc. At each point Liberals had to pull conservatives kicking and screaming into creating a better society. Conservatives are constantly wrong.

 

[ignorethis]

Well then just talk about you and your sorry ass circle of black people. Dont talk about all black people as a whole. Be specific about what you know and what you were exposed to rather than smearing black people with your bullsht racist canards. Fukk outta here trying to justify your alignment with neo-confederacy bullshyt just because you personally grew up with no account low lifes. My personal experience is that black people are the same as any other group of human...just as hard working, talented, ....just as moral and decent. Individual circumstances produce divergent individual outcomes, but all this corny ass racism from you and your buddy is fukkin weak minded and pathetic. Reality my ass. Weak ass, low self esteem, self hate nonsense is what this is. I hope you two are really just a couple of bytch ass cacs.

That's you problem you haven't seen shyt or experienced shyt, but want to speak on the black experience and black problems.

"Sorry ass circle of black people"

like I said I got friends sitting in Harris County waiting on a murder trial that I speak to 3 times a week, I got friends I speak to weekly that are their class speakers at Harvard, and have major Wall Street jobs with bullet wounds in their legs from bullshyt that happened when we were young.

I got big bros that are pimps and big time dope dealers, I got big brothers that are Engineers and doctors. I know strippers and hoes that spend more money on weed and lean than their children, I know educated and upstanding black women that are great mothers and do anything to make sure their children succeed (some of them are strippers and hoes)

I'm probably younger than you, but I've seen more than you in real life, I've seen what works and what doesn't work. So have a lot of other people, so we will always have more real world solutions than white conservatives and liberals that only watch see negroes on TV, and their black lapdogs that parrot their broken ideas because they want to be accepted intellectually.

I'm not even conservative, but I seen possible benefits in some conservative ideas, I see benefits of some liberal ideas, I don't pick a side so I can be seen as an enlightened negro by one group of cacs. Liberal or conservative I don't see white folks as my allies nor do I want them to be.

 

[William F. Russell]

Well then just talk about you and your sorry ass circle of black people. Dont talk about all black people as a whole. Be specific about what you know and what you were exposed to rather than smearing black people with your bullsht racist canards. Fukk outta here trying to justify your alignment with neo-confederacy bullshyt just because you personally grew up with no account low lifes. My personal experience is that black people are the same as any other group of human...just as hard working, talented, ....just as moral and decent. Individual circumstances produce divergent individual outcomes, but all this corny ass racism from you and your buddy is fukkin weak minded and pathetic. Reality my ass. Weak ass, low self esteem, self hate nonsense is what this is. I hope you two are really just a couple of bytch ass cacs.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

That's you problem you haven't seen shyt or experienced shyt, but want to speak on the black experience and black problems.

"Sorry ass circle of black people"

like I said I got friends sitting in Harris County waiting on a murder trial that I speak to 3 times a week, I got friends I speak to weekly that are their class speakers at Harvard, and have major Wall Street jobs with bullet wounds in their legs from bullshyt that happened when we were young.

I got big bros that are pimps and big time dope dealers, I got big brothers that are Engineers and doctors. I know strippers and hoes that spend more money on weed and lean than their children, I know educated and upstanding black women that are great mothers and do anything to make sure their children succeed (some of them are strippers and hoes)

I've seen more than you in real life, I've seen what works and what doesn't work. So have a lot of other people, so we will always have more real world solutions than white conservatives and liberals that only watch see negroes on TV, and their black lapdogs that parrot their broken ideas because they want to be accepted.

Shut the fukk up...you even threw your own mama under the bus in this thread once your argument was starting to slip away from you, in order to paint her as work-shy and shiftless so you can power on with your anti-black screeds. Transparent, snake in the grass, tap dancing, lil p*ssy sambos with mommy issues like you are a dime a dozen. No honor; no loyalty; no dignity and always weak minded. You want to prop up your lil fragile ego by trashing black people and even your own mama to try and make yourself feel better and more of a man. Ive given you far more attention than you deserve. Thats to my personal discredit.

 

[Robbie3000]

Whites like him because he's take the burden of uplifting and helping blacksoff the shoulders of whites and places it on blacks, but this is something people on this forums say we need to do all the time, this is something black nationalist say all the time.
Yea he kinda panders to whites, but the message is the same, It's only offensive to ya'll because he identifies as a conservative and it feels like he's airing out our dirty laundry due to the fact a lot of whites read his articles.

Keep acting like he isn't the same dude that wrote "Black Excellence: The Case of Dunbar High School" and "Race and Economics"

His whole message is black achieve equivalent or more than whites when put into similar situation as white in relation to family and education. Like I said most of his work only mentions blacks in regards to education and failing family structure. He attacks dudes like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as well which is another reason that white take to him, but we attack those dudes all the time on here, so what's the issue?

Keep it 100, whites like him cause he parrots their thoughts and feelings towards black people. That's why he's outlets are white conservative outlets for the most part. Don't play yourself.

 

[TRY GOD]

ALL YOU DO IS TROLL. THIS IS NOT AN ANSWER.

ALL YOU ARE DOING IS COLLECTING MORE L'S WITH YOUR TROLLING.

 

[William F. Russell]

@No_bammer_weed is going on an estrogen-filled tirade

 

[William F. Russell]

Keep it 100, whites like him cause he parrots their thoughts and feelings towards black people. That's why he's outlets are white conservative outlets for the most part. Don't play yourself.

So is it wrong for whites to feel that some blacks need to take responsibility/accountability for the state of our community if it's true? Is it wrong for them to prop up a black person who shares the same sentiment?

 

[DEAD7]

A sizable black conservative following is like someone proclaiming to be the tallest midget in the world. It's minuscule. And that's because most black people use common sense and can sense the hatred and resentment from conservatives. It's one of the reasons the Democrat party receives such a large portion of the black vote. As far liberalism, some liberal policies work and some don't, but Liberal aspirations at their best are progressive while conservative aspirations at their best either maintain the status quo or are regressive.

... and I take it you believe "progressive" to mean better, or a positive change?

Most of the most landmark moments in this country were a result of Liberal ideas triumphing over conservative ones. Abolition movement, Civil Wary, Civil Rights, Women's Rights, Gay Rights etc. At each point Liberals had to pull conservatives kicking and screaming into creating a better society. Conservatives are constantly wrong.

Republican*

 

[ignorethis]

Shut the fukk up...you even threw your own mama under the bus in this thread once your argument was starting to slip away from you, in order to paint her as work-shy and shiftless so you can power on with your anti-black screeds. Transparent ass, tap dancing, lil p*ssy sambos with mommy issues like you are a dime a dozen. No honor; no loyalty; no dignity always weak minded. You want to prop up your lil fragile ego by trashing black people and even your own mama to try and make yourself feel better and more of a man. Ive given you far more attention than you deserve. Thats to my personal discredit.

Haha, nikka my momma, dad, sisters, best friends, all have their flaws and I have mines. I tell them to their faces and get into it with them sometimes, I've squabbled most of my friends, and even scrapped with my dad behind some bullshyt. We still love eachother, because we're not estrogen filled pussies, my sisters probably got more heart than you.
What I said about my mom is something me, my dad, and all my siblings accepted because it was the truth, I'm not embarrassed, because I don't give a fukk what you internet nikkas think,especially not a hoe like you , hell my baby brother can grow up and be the most lazy, shiftless nikka in the world, I'm still taking care of him and riding for him cause that my brother (most nikkas that actually grow up around nikkas understand this).

Lol you a bytch, get out your feelings dude. You can still do your enlightened negro routine around cacs. Ol' I've never had a squabble ass nikka, ol "please accept me intellectually" ass nikka, ol get scared around large groups of black people ass nikka.

Keep it 100, whites like him cause he parrots their thoughts and feelings towards black people. That's why he's outlets are white conservative outlets for the most part. Don't play yourself.

That black problems aren't white problems and that they shouldn't have to care about them? Yep
I agree, I don't want these cacs help.

 

[Robbie3000]

So is it wrong for whites to feel that some blacks need to take responsibility/accountability for the state of our community if it's true? Is it wrong for them to prop up a black person who shares the same sentiment?

Jesus Christ! Talk about Stockholm syndrome.

What they are doing is scapegoating and you've have bought into that shyt line, hook and sinker.

 

[William F. Russell]

Jesus Christ! Talk about Stockholm syndrome.

What they are doing is scapegoating and you've have bought into that shyt line, hook and sinker.

I haven't but right is right, wrong is wrong. If somebody calls out wrong for what it is, the race of the person is immaterial to me.

 

[Robbie3000]

That black problems aren't white problems and that they shouldn't have to care about them? Yep
I agree, I don't want these cacs help.

They are American problems created by American policies, but your Thomas Sowell brushes this aside as if the last 350 years never happened and our history only goes back to the Great Society. It's a fukking joke.

 

[ignorethis]

They are American problems created by American policies, but your Thomas Sowell brushes this aside as if the last 350 years never happened and our history only goes back to the Great Society. It's a fukking joke.

I don't care about righting wrongs of the past, I care about strategies to overcome current hurdles.
That's the difference in our ideals, you wants to force whites to own up to their wrongs and right them because you think that is needed for blacks to advance.
I think blacks can advance with white people being an afterthought if we get our house together first.

Because I think racism is natural and never going away, I don't expect whites to be compassionate and embracing of blacks, I just want blacks to be so solid that we can hurdle, counter, and dismantle any attacks on us.
Rather than beg whites to please treat us better.

There is a reason a lot of black nationalist found themselves coming to agreement with white nationalist on certain things, such as separatism. I guess they were c00ns too.

 

[JBoy]

Jesus Christ! Talk about Stockholm syndrome.

What they are doing is scapegoating and you've have bought into that shyt line, hook and sinker.

y'all dudes have a lot more patience than me I would have stopped taking dude seriously after like my third response these TLR dudes be on some off the wall shyt in these debates