*THREAD SPINOFF* What made you an atheist or agnostic?

[Greenstrings]

It is.

The notion of what god is, what it does, what extent it exists as and notions of how it interacts and what it's history is all a derivative of religious ideology.

Remember, you learned the concept of monotheism from someone or something.

You are implying that it is impossible to conceive of the idea of a higher power beyond or within the known universe outside of a religious context. Any thinking person will tell you that makes no sense.

The initial source of an idea or mode of thinking does not determine its its later function or utility. The point itself is banal in that all modes of thought have roots in prior modes of thought. We do not assess their validity on that basis.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Im not making anything other than one belief. Ill let facts make the rest.

Religion is more advanced than simply believing that a higher power exists.

Its not. Its the assertion of unsubstantiated belief in lieu of the confirmation of everything else.

One belief that a higher power exists isnt "an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views"

It is. Its an unsubstantiated belief held without evidence to assert it

No amount of arguing you do will change that.

So based on that Im not religious.

Except you rewriting the rules of empiricism

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You are implying that it is impossible to conceive of the idea of a higher power beyond or within the known universe outside of a religious context. Any thinking person will tell you that makes no sense.

I am saying that because its equally likely to assert that we live in a video game.

Both are unsubstantiated claims

The initial source of an idea or mode of thinking does not determine its its later function or utility. The point itself is banal in that all modes of thought have roots in prior modes of thought. We do not assess their validity on that basis.

This isn't even true and I can tell you're grasping for straws here trying to baffle the lesser minds on here with that word soup you trotted out.

The source of an idea doesn't matter. What it asserts is whats important. If it asserts something thats unsubstantiated AND asks you to accept it, then its nothing else if not dogmatic.

 

[The Don]

shyt Idk.
But that don't mean if you don't know, that a magical man in the sky did it.
If you don't know something, study and figure it out.
Don't just say Idk how to explain...oh I know the answer!!! God did it!

How you gone give an answer to something you say you don't know? Contradiction.

Christian: where is the Malaysian flight.

Me: Idk. I know it's in the red sea though.

what a lame come back....and do you really think no one knows where the Malaysian flight went?Those are 2 different situations. I'll even throw you a bone. I know there's something in your life that has happened where you've had to thought if not God it was something supernatural. You hear these stories all the time. They're called miracles my friend God is not imaginary I can tell you countless things I've escaped or thought things would be different but He came through for me

 

[joeychizzle]

When I went through piles of evidence and research and came to the inevitable conclusion that God is nothing but a system created to control the stupid, the confused, the misinformed, the uneducated and the frail.

Why do we atheists insult the religious? We see them as mentally weak, in need of emotional security in numbers. We also attempt to educate, but it all falls upon deaf ears, so we turn to jest.

I don't have to donate 10% of my monthly income to feel better about myself :bawsin:

 

[Blackout]

Its not. Its the assertion of unsubstantiated belief in lieu of the confirmation of everything else.

It is. Its an unsubstantiated belief held without evidence to assert it


Except you rewriting the rules of empiricism

So I cant assert that a being out there created like we did?

Im basing it on us creating and this higher power doing it like we did as well.

Rewriting the rules of empiricism? No.

We are discussing what a religion is.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. As Christians our main goal is to evangelize or spread the good word. Now I know there are many out there that take this to the extreme and over do it but atheists and agnostics are always quick to call people who have religion (especially Christians) slaves, or brainwashed, or fools. Yet ya'll get on us for judging you for not believing or wondering if God is real . My thing is everybody has a right to believe in what they want to . It seems like atheists are some of the most closed minded people on Earth cuz they want proof of everything. I'm a Christian but I've been open minded and have wondered a lot of things but thats where faith comes in. So let me ask do you atheists or agnostics believe in faith?

Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read on here in a minute.

 

[Blackout]

I am saying that because its equally likely to assert that we live in a video game.

Both are unsubstantiated claims.

Whats bad about that belief?

So creating simulations isnt something that can be done all of a sudden?

Wow!!!!

 

[The Don]

Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read on here in a minute.

read the thread before you call something stupid and you'll see why I called it in the beginning. And watch your mouth

 

[↓R↑LYB]

read the thread before you call something stupid and you'll see why I called it in the beginning. And watch your mouth

Breh....the fact you said atheists want proof to believe something let me know you don't even know shyt about whatever belief system you hold.

 

[The Don]

What does me saying that have anything to do with my beliefs? @bdizzle

 

[Greenstrings]

I am saying that because its equally likely to assert that we live in a video game.

Both are unsubstantiated claims

You just proved my point. The notion that we live in a video game is a notion of a higher power that is not derivative of religious ideology. You literally said that notions of the form function and purpose of a higher power all stem from religious ideology. That is patently wrong. There are bodies of philosophical work that explore such things outside of a religious framework.

This isn't even true and I can tell you're grasping for straws here trying to baffle the lesser minds on here with that word soup you trotted out.

The source of an idea doesn't matter. What it asserts is whats important. If it asserts something thats unsubstantiated AND asks you to accept it, then its nothing else if not dogmatic.

No attempt to baffle here. I mean't what I said in earnest, and you've in no way shown that it wasn't true.
The bolded directly contradicts what you're implying here.

Remember, you learned the concept of monotheism from someone or something.

You are essentially arguing that notional belief in a completely undefined higher power is inseparable from religion when this is demonstrably untrue. This isn't a logical or academic position you're taking here it is a semantic one. You've recognised that religion for many is a tainted concept and you see mileage in shaming people that believe in any kind of higher power by using it as an catch-all tag where it doesn't fit. Nobody is asking us to accept anything. You've clearly misunderstood the meaning of dogma if you believe that individuals musing about things beyond the current extent of human knowledge can be described in that way.

 

[FLYINHAWAIIAN]

what a lame come back....and do you really think no one knows where the Malaysian flight went?Those are 2 different situations. I'll even throw you a bone. I know there's something in your life that has happened where you've had to thought if not God it was something supernatural. You hear these stories all the time. They're called miracles my friend God is not imaginary I can tell you countless things I've escaped or thought things would be different but He came through for me

Gimme an example

 

[The Don]

Gimme an example

clearly you don't read...I gave the example with the car crash but here's another one. Lets say you have cancer, its spreading rapidly and you think its your time to check out but all of a sudden one day it goes into remission to the point its gone or you've been jobless for a while and your savings is bone dry. You've been applying for 6 months and nothing but right when you think there is no hope you get a call from an employer to bring you on....those aren't coincidences my friend

 

[Big Blue]

clearly you don't read...I gave the example with the car crash but here's another one. Lets say you have cancer, its spreading rapidly and you think its your time to check out but all of a sudden one day it goes into remission to the point its gone or you've been jobless for a while and your savings is bone dry. You've been applying for 6 months and nothing but right when you think there is no hope you get a call from an employer to bring you on....those aren't coincidences my friend

How do you know they aren't coincidences? Especially when millions die of cancer every year.