I skipped some of the thread
Someone really compared it to them
I gotta feeling I know who
read the thread my dude. Dude gives a fukkin thesis on how this album wasnt shyt
Thug Motivation 101 is a CLASSIC album
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read the thread my dude. Dude gives a fukkin thesis on how this album wasnt shyt
This nikka
I thought it was gonna be someone else
I know this a forum but some shyt you just gotta keep to yourself Or say it once and keep it moving.
One thing I noticed that not one person has pointed out in response to my opposition of TM101. Elders that I've touched base with dont approve of the glorifiction of being a drug dealer due to the mental backfire and life altering scars that linger. Either your gonna be a full time animal which results in death or prison or you gain some sort of consciousness that will create a guilt factor where glorifying your past sins is the last thing you'd wanna do . Jeezys music represented the drug dealer, mind you a year prior another rapper named Saigon put out a song called "Color Purple" where he was asking for Bloods and Crips to unite and stop beefing. Saigon in my eyes represented how the real gangsters talk. Real gansgters are on some "scolding uncle" sh*t. Jeezy was on some "nikka on the corner" sh*t. Saigon did 6 years, came out and said he wanted his debut to enlighten the kids not poison them. Jeezys 1st debut wanted to "motivate thugs."....The bar for consciousness wasn't raised when Jeezy took off in 2005. This is all I'm pointing out. Jeezys music represented that drug dealer rap. 2005 definatly marked a new era closing the 90's imprint all together. By 2005 when coke rap should have been already been played out after the likes of Master P, The Lox and The Clipse....Coke Rap saw a rebirth in Trap Musik. This was a new generation so its understandable as to why a new drug dealer rapper would fit right in place in 2005. 2005 was also the year of Hurricanne Katrina. In my eyes Blck folks didnt need "motivated thugs" at such a time.
Again....To many elders I know dont co sign the glorification of being a drug dealer. Only fools glorify it. Bottom line its all entertainment so glorifying being a drug dealer gets a pass......But to me the Drug Dealer rap was at its height with No Limit...To me ....glorifying being a drug dealer was a played out concept in Hip Hop by 2005.....This is why TM101 is just iight to me till this day........The now generation of that era would of course disagree.
Excuse the confusion.....But its not the sound i was refering to...im speaking on the lyrical content. I noticed u keep talking sh*t about the wrong thing so let me correct you. I specificlly meant the lyrical content and I even pointed that out. There's no way u can say the dope dealing lyrical content wasn't already done with No Limit....
Ice Cream Man = Snow Man
Again....To many elders I know dont co sign the glorification of being a drug dealer. Only fools glorify it. Bottom line its all entertainment so glorifying being a drug dealer gets a pass......But to me the Drug Dealer rap was at its height with No Limit...To me ....glorifying being a drug dealer was a played out concept in Hip Hop by 2005.....This is why TM101 is just iight to me till this day........The now generation of that era would of course disagree.
Im not saying they werent. But for dude to compare TM101 to those shyts is a reach at best. The sound isnt the same whatsoever.
Excuse the confusion.....But its not the sound i was refering to...im speaking on the lyrical content. I noticed u keep talking sh*t about the wrong thing so let me correct you. I specificlly meant the lyrical content and I even pointed that out. There's no way u can say the dope dealing lyrical content wasn't already done with No Limit....
Ice Cream Man = Snow Man
If youre gonna shyt on Jeezy for making trap music, and rappin bout drugs and shyt, you may as well go ahead and discredit, Tip, Gotti, Gucci etc etc.
Its cool you dont like the album, but you up in this thread talking in circles, typing paragraphs about an album that wasnt impactful in your words.
I wanna share with ya'll a story....I've told this story numerous times....Mid 05...Me and My boy who is younger then me by 4 years are doing maintanance at the Graduate center. My boy puts me onto Jeezy and The BoyZ N The Hood LP. I had no clue who any of them were but I was familiar with "So Icey." He also had Zro's album and Slim Thugs album (was familiar with those names) and handed me all 4 to listen to for the weekend....Dude used to tip ride Z Ro, swore dude was the real king of the south....Off the bat he tells me the Jeezy record is iight and that the Boyz album is wack. I go home and smoke bud all weekend with my girl...all 4 CDs were the soundtrack music for that weekend. Concluded that the Slim Thug album was the best one....Z Ro's was 2nd. ( Me and my boy disagreed on that) Jeezy 3rd and That Boyz album as trash ( Me and my boy agreed on that). Jeezy hadn't taken off in NY like that yet so my conclusion was at its purest. FAST FOWARD LATE 2005. Jeezymania. What the f*ck is going on? I was smoking that new shyt on the streets called "sour diesal" that whole weekend. I dont remember that album standing out like that. What did I miss? Goes on Limewire and downloads whole TM101 album. I sit at the computer hyped. E&J and dirt weed. I listen to the whole album. I don't get it. What is it that I'm missing?....The albumn is iight!! I wasn't the biggest Game fan either but I concluded that Documentary brought that quality gangster music. Matter fact...in 05 I felt that Geto Boy's, Foundation and Bun B's, Trill should have gotten more attention. That was Bun B's first album and it was overshadowed by Jeezy's first album. To me that just didnt look right.
I'm done with you. This is this is the second misquote u made. I never once sh*tted on Jeezy for making trap music.
I'm done with you. This is this is the second misquote u made. I never once sh*tted on Jeezy for making trap music.
Production is subjective.
I don't really have a problem with people saying TM101 is a classic - as long as its understood that its not because of the rapping. People saying the shyt is quotable - I don't have a problem with that either - but its quotable because its basic and simple. Nothing wrong with that - nothing wrong with people enjoying the album - but lets not act like the album progressed the art form.
I don't really have a problem with people saying TM101 is a classic - as long as its understood that its not because of the rapping. People saying the shyt is quotable - I don't have a problem with that either - but its quotable because its basic and simple. Nothing wrong with that - nothing wrong with people enjoying the album - but lets not act like the album progressed the art form.
iamstr8fire
Apex Predator
Good point about Lil Jon. He was the precursor for Jeezy in terms of adlibs and was much bigger from them then Jeezy ever was (largely due to Chappelle).
Jay-z's thing initially was attempting to convince everyone he was a wealthy former drug kingpin. Remember, in 1996, he was still spending $ from 1988. That's 8 year old money!
And you have very limited knowledge of this music if you think Jeezy was the first to rap about being real or the intricacies of the drug game.
Still - the Snowman shyt was great, I wonder if I could get one of those shirts today?
So no one else sounding like him to the 4953543 clones after him doesnt make him groundbreaking?
What would you call that then?
People copied him b/c he was commercially successful. What about his style of rap advanced the art form?
Plexxx
Return of the G
you know i've never heard this whole album. i never got into jeezy like that
To me - Saigon's album was a classic.
Not sure I agree about Coke rap being a genre that was fully milked of any creative potential by 2005 - look what the Clipse did a year later.
