"TI, Jeezy & Wayne are legends just as much as any MC ever"

[Harry B]

Longevity is why it's pre-mature to label him legendary. How exactly is Jeezy a game changer? Trap music was sub-genre, before people knew who Jeezy was. It was a sound pioneered by rappers who dropped albums a decade before Jeezy or T.I. popped up on the scene. At most, T.I. and Jeezy were both influential in popularizing trap music. T.I.'s impact goes beyond trap music as at one point, people were looking at him as the Jay Z of the South. He wasn't even that big at that point.

In comparison, there's a lot of rappers out today that have been hot longer than guys from the 80's. I'm comparing Jeezy to the two artists that he's mentioned with. In terms of legendary status, he doesn't stack up to Wayne or T.I. Basically, his career isn't legendary just yet.

What I'm indicating by somewhat relevant is not sales or units. Wayne (I don't view Wayne like that, but doesn't change the fact that he does) and T.I. are rappers that get respect as artists. Their impact and influence are greater than Jeezy.

I'll put it this way, Wayne and T.I.'s respective 6th albums really put them on a different playing field than their contemporaries. That's where Jeezy is at in his career right now.

I can't discuss with anyone saying Jeezy didn't have any impact on the game or saying that UGK and them created the sounds of today.

And the reason to why T.I.'s influence goes beyond trap music is cause he does singles with Rihanna, pop singles, movies, reality shows etc. All Jeezy does is trap music and trap clothes. Rakim didn't have as big social impact as T.I., never had hit songs etc you mean to tell me that T.I. and Wayne are bigger legend than him as well? Bigger than him, Eazy and Krs combined?

And another reason to why T.I. only gets mentioned in trap music when it comes to his album title is cause he made the "old school" styled shyt like UGK and them. It wasn't until he got Jeezy's joint Bang where one could hear Tip on what cats consider Trap Music the sub-genre. You can even notice the switch in the sound from Jeezys own music between 03 and when he got with Shawty Redd.

 

[Harry B]

Jeezy in 2003 = not what people called Trap Music.



Jeezy in 2004 = what people called trap music
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7obL8yZHT8"]Young Jeezy-Hold Up - YouTube[/ame]




This is not a technical term, technically UGK made trap music and if one wants to get further geeked out on the technical tip Biggie made East Coast trap music, Eazy-E made West Coast trap music. UGK, 8Ball, Master P and all the southern street rappers influenced T.I. and Jeezy. But it wasn't until these dudes completely changed the sound specially T.I. with 24s and Jeezy campaigned his style for years until people started calling it a sub genre. Where they incorporated what UGK and them had done, what Lil Jon and them, mixed with new shyt, mixed with heavy ad-libs, the birth of the "strip club anthem" being a commercial factor, making it rain and everything else 80% of rappers have been doing since 2005.

 

[JustCKing]

I can't discuss with anyone saying Jeezy didn't have any impact on the game or saying that UGK and them created the sounds of today.

And the reason to why T.I.'s influence goes beyond trap music is cause he does singles with Rihanna, pop singles, movies, reality shows etc. All Jeezy does is trap music and trap clothes. Rakim didn't have as big social impact as T.I., never had hit songs etc you mean to tell me that T.I. and Wayne are bigger legend than him as well? Bigger than him, Eazy and Krs combined?

And another reason to why T.I. only gets mentioned in trap music when it comes to his album title is cause he made the "old school" styled shyt like UGK and them. It wasn't until he got Jeezy's joint Bang where one could hear Tip on what cats consider Trap Music the sub-genre. You can even notice the switch in the sound from Jeezys own music between 03 and when he got with Shawty Redd.

I never said that Jeezy had no influence or impact. Listen to the content of UGK, Eightball & MJG, Master P etc. Even excluding them, listen to Cool Breeze's album.

T.I. was bigger than just trap music before he did any songs with Rihanna, Justin, etc. I already stated how he was referred to as the "Jay Z of the South" before he really blew up.

T.I. nor Wayne's impact isn't greater than Ra, KRS etc. because they aren't looked at in that respect. Those guys fathered the styles of greats that came later.

Trap Music had a sound and definition before Jeezy debuted. Now if you want to argue that Drumma Boy (who was doing the sound that Shawty Redd is credited for back in '03) or Shawty Redd re-defined or changed the sound of it, go head.

 

[Jermio]

Agree or disagree?

I say its the truth.

Jeezy? Legend my azz.

Wayne is borderline. He's certainly memorable and outrageous enough.

TI is a no. Dude just doesn't have enough good songs on his resume. I don't even see why this dude fashions himself "King of the South" while Outkast and Ludacris are still living.

 

[Dettol]

i disagree...

TI can rap but never really reached full potential

Jeezy...smh

Wayne altho he USED to be able to rap...but is beyond wack now...his fame can make him legend status....but then again hes a terrible artist

so...

NO....HELLLLL NO...and MAYBE

this post is perfect. thread should of ended right here.^

 

[No Homo]

Funny thing is every single one of their peers would agree that they are legends

 

[Mac Casper]

. . we'll see what their "legacy" looks like. Time will tell

 

[hex]

Funny thing is every single one of their peers would agree that they are legends

Of course they would otherwise they'd be labeled a hater. It's 2013 you should know how shyt works by now.

Imagine if one of their peers said "TI, nah he's not a legend?". Or "Wayne is cool but he's no legend". There is no way in hell that would be received objectively regardless of how well they worded it.

It would be easier to say "yeah they're all legends" and just KIM.

Fred.

 

[Consigliere]

Jeezy been a legend since the Cant Ban the Snowman campaign.

And co-sign this thread and I dont own 1 album from TI or Wayne.

 

[LOUDaffair]

nikkaz really gone flex like they all aint legends?

 

[Harry B]

I never said that Jeezy had no influence or impact. Listen to the content of UGK, Eightball & MJG, Master P etc. Even excluding them, listen to Cool Breeze's album.

T.I. was bigger than just trap music before he did any songs with Rihanna, Justin, etc. I already stated how he was referred to as the "Jay Z of the South" before he really blew up.

T.I. nor Wayne's impact isn't greater than Ra, KRS etc. because they aren't looked at in that respect. Those guys fathered the styles of greats that came later.

Trap Music had a sound and definition before Jeezy debuted. Now if you want to argue that Drumma Boy (who was doing the sound that Shawty Redd is credited for back in '03) or Shawty Redd re-defined or changed the sound of it, go head.

Now you are inconsistent, you said T.I. and Wayne had bigger impact than Jeezy cause they sold more and shyt like that. Wayne and T.I. are not looked at in that respect by whom? Now you are talking about respect and fathering styles? I'd say Jeezy has at least as much respect as T.I. and has fathered a lot more styles that artists use.

And please show me a Drumma Boy beat that cats knew before TM101 and Boyz-n-da hood album.

As a matter of facts cats that career started of with Jeezy's entrance in the game were Drumma boy, Don Cannon, Shawty Redd and Justice League.



And Trap Music had a sound? Yea, just like G-funk had a sound before The Chronic but no not a lot of people cared about how it was before The Chronic and no one remembers how it was before The Chronic, and no one CALLED IT G-funk before The Chronic, and it didn't sound the same pre Chronic as post. And notice the difference on HOW you rap and WHAT you rap about.

Eazy-E rapped about the same thing as UGK so did HE in fact create Trap Music? According to yourself since you are being so technical. Tell me why Eazy-E didn't invent trap music. How/What is nearly the main factor that separates genres and sub-genres. Country singers sing about the same thing as soul singers and pop singers.
A lot of rock albums sing about the exact same thing as one would sing about on a Neo-soul album.

And also tell me how being Jay-z of the south has anything to do with musical impact. He was known as Jay-z of the south cause he was a D-boy, who could rap, do business and make pop singles.

 

[JustCKing]

Now you are inconsistent, you said T.I. and Wayne had bigger impact than Jeezy cause they sold more and shyt like that. Wayne and T.I. are not looked at in that respect by whom? Now you are talking about respect and fathering styles? I'd say Jeezy has at least as much respect as T.I. and has father a lot more styles and artists.

And please show me a Drumma Boy beat that cats knew before TM101 and Boyz-n-da hood album.

As a matter of facts cats that career started of with Jeezy's entrance in the game were Drumma boy, Don Cannon, Shawty Redd and Justice League.



And Trap Music had a sound? Yea, just like G-funk had a sound before The Chronic but no one cared about how it was before The Chronic and no one remembers how it was before The Chronic, and no one CALLED IT G-funk before The Chronic, and it didn't sound the same pre Chronic as post.

I never once posted or implied that sales were the reason that Wayne and T.I. had a greater impact. In regard to fathering styles, the reason that I mentioned that is because you brought up KRS, Rakim and Eazy. That's their impact on the game. Not because they fathered the styles of random artists, I mentioned that they fathered future legends (KRS and Ra fathered Nas and others).

Before Drumma Boy ever worked with Jeezy or Boyz N Da Hood, he did the majority of Gangsta Boo's Enquiring Minds 2 which came out in '03. This single was produced by Drumma:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-i70wNQ8tM]Gangsta Boo - Sippin & Spinnin [Prod. by Drumma Boy] - YouTube[/ame]

No one called "trap music" trap music before T.I. named his album after it. He did that before Jeezy came out with a Trap or Die mixtape. Before T.I., it wasn't even referred to as such.

Drumma and Shawty Redd were established before Jeezy. Drumma's introduction was Gangsta Boo's Enquiring Minds, but he didn't officially blow until Jeezy's "Put On". As for Shawty Redd, he got his start producing crunk records for the likes of 404 Soldierz before getting his own recording contract with MCA. Now, Trap or Die was definitely his big break. Jeezy was in fact, the artist that the first J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League productions popped up on.

 

[Still Benefited]

Now you are inconsistent, you said T.I. and Wayne had bigger impact than Jeezy cause they sold more and shyt like that. Wayne and T.I. are not looked at in that respect by whom? Now you are talking about respect and fathering styles? I'd say Jeezy has at least as much respect as T.I. and has fathered a lot more styles that artists use.

And please show me a Drumma Boy beat that cats knew before TM101 and Boyz-n-da hood album.

As a matter of facts cats that career started of with Jeezy's entrance in the game were Drumma boy, Don Cannon, Shawty Redd and Justice League.



And Trap Music had a sound? Yea, just like G-funk had a sound before The Chronic but no not a lot of people cared about how it was before The Chronic and no one remembers how it was before The Chronic, and no one CALLED IT G-funk before The Chronic, and it didn't sound the same pre Chronic as post. And notice the difference on HOW you rap and WHAT you rap about.

Eazy-E rapped about the same thing as UGK so did HE in fact create Trap Music? According to yourself since you are being so technical. Tell me why Eazy-E didn't invent trap music. How/What is nearly the main factor that separates genres and sub-genres. Country singers sing about the same thing as soul singers and pop singers.
A lot of rock albums sing about the exact same thing as one would sing about on a Neo-soul album.

And also tell me how being Jay-z of the south has anything to do with musical impact. He was known as Jay-z of the south cause he was a D-boy, who could rap, do business and make pop singles.

they gon act like they don't understand u though....t.I had a album called trap muzic yea,but Jeezy changed the entire sound of the south,every nikka decided they all of a sudden would come out rappin like they wuz 1st graders in special ed over dark shawty redd sounding beats for entire albums....nikkas wuznt doin that before Jeezy proved u could blow and be respected as a rapper doin it......nikkas wuz on that bouncy flow and bouncy beats before Jeezy....truthfully Jeezy set the south back about 10 years with the impact he had...it ain't his fault nikkas copy and didn't know how to build on his style like he did.


Say all that Jeezy can't rap shyt that u want but between Trap or Die and Tm101 all ima say is he got more quotables between those two albums then sum of yalls fav rappers entire catalogue....I don't care how lyrical they are if nobody remembers they lyrics....sum nikkas know the lyrics to songs off thos albums front to back and I happen to be one of em...Jeezy wuz spittin if u can get past him sounding like a special ed kid with that delivery but that shyt wuz original,the fact u can tell he got bars like he do today should be proof he wuznt that bad lyricallly,his delivery made it sound like he wuz slow as shyt....break down his lyrics and he spittin lowkey tho and had the wordplay and still do...fuk what y'all talkin about...

 

[JustCKing]

Now you are inconsistent, you said T.I. and Wayne had bigger impact than Jeezy cause they sold more and shyt like that. Wayne and T.I. are not looked at in that respect by whom? Now you are talking about respect and fathering styles? I'd say Jeezy has at least as much respect as T.I. and has fathered a lot more styles that artists use.

And please show me a Drumma Boy beat that cats knew before TM101 and Boyz-n-da hood album.

As a matter of facts cats that career started of with Jeezy's entrance in the game were Drumma boy, Don Cannon, Shawty Redd and Justice League.



And Trap Music had a sound? Yea, just like G-funk had a sound before The Chronic but no not a lot of people cared about how it was before The Chronic and no one remembers how it was before The Chronic, and no one CALLED IT G-funk before The Chronic, and it didn't sound the same pre Chronic as post. And notice the difference on HOW you rap and WHAT you rap about.

Eazy-E rapped about the same thing as UGK so did HE in fact create Trap Music? According to yourself since you are being so technical. Tell me why Eazy-E didn't invent trap music. How/What is nearly the main factor that separates genres and sub-genres. Country singers sing about the same thing as soul singers and pop singers.
A lot of rock albums sing about the exact same thing as one would sing about on a Neo-soul album.

And also tell me how being Jay-z of the south has anything to do with musical impact. He was known as Jay-z of the south cause he was a D-boy, who could rap, do business and make pop singles.

Regarding your last two points:

I never said T.I. invented trap music. Now, you did in fact state that Jeezy was the creator of it. That wasn't me. In fact, I clearly stated that T.I. and Jeezy popularized it. There's no way that you can justify saying that Jeezy created trap music based on what you are saying in your reply that's supposed to be an argument against what I stated.

Being called the Jay Z of the South has a lot to do with musical impact. When T.I. dropped his first album, Jay Z was already being hailed as one of the best to ever do it. For T.I. to even be compared to someone of that caliber when T.I. clearly wasn't on most people's radar like that, speaks volumes for how his music impacted peers and listeners. Pharrell was the one who made the claim and he'd worked with both of them at that point. T.I. wasn't even known as a business or making pop singles at that stage in his career.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Agree or disagree?

I say its the truth.

Can't just be handing out legend titles to all the east coast nikkas

You are such a crybaby

Cant wait till you follow up with the "Nobody in rap is a legend" thread.

Why are you so emotional?