"TI, Jeezy & Wayne are legends just as much as any MC ever"

[28 Gramz]

at the revisionist bullshyt in this thread

neither of the 3 are legends. what rappers have come out in the past decade to have admitted that they were influenced by jeezy ti or wayne? rick ross and drake are "knocking at the door" to become legends?

just because someone makes a lot of hit records don't mean shyt breh. you actually have to able to rap if you're a legend (with a few exceptions). all 3 of them have made good music at a certain point in time, whether it be right now or in the past, but none of the 3 are proficient as rappers. even though they never aimed to be one, only hip hop fans would enjoy their music. what makes someone a legend is that their music can reach everybody. how the fukk is young jeezy even comparable to Jay-z and nas?? gimme a break

TI and Wayne were never great rappers?

So TI and Wayne were never proficent rappers in their primes?

Lil Wayne didn't influence an entire generation of auto-tune using,tatted up,nasaly voiced, punchline addicted swag rappers?

Jeezy didn't create the sound and swag that's been running rap since 2005 with Trap Or Die and 101?

I notice the only nikkas in here sayin these dudes aren't legends are nikkas from NY or nikkas that are probably deep in their 30's

Actin as if Jay-Z's albums from Vol.2-Dynasty weren't forgettable or shyt like BP2,Kingdome Come,BP3 don't exist.

Actin like Nas catalog ain't full of bricks and fails.

Actin like Eminem has dropped anything worth talkin about since 2002, or had any type of influence on rap at all.

 

[45123]

Wayne stretches way beyond hip-hop fans you cant be serious

and all 3 can rap quite well

yeah with mainstream sheep dikkriders who listen to that shyt for entertainment. nobody in 2013 respects him anymore, rap fans or not.



that bullshyt went 3 on the billboard charts. this really shows wayne's flexibility huh

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29YZSZN-K3E]Gay Cock Weezy - Hot Revolver (Rebirth Album) [Full Final] - YouTube[/ame]

this too right

Kendrick Lamar Say Gay Cock Weezy influence his music - YouTube

fine, one rapper. who wouldn't even put him in his top 5 of all time. there's more than a slew of rappers who would openly admit that jay or nas influenced them.

u my nikka but this post is just stupidity

SO leadin and ushering a new sub genre of rap that influenced a ton of artists is not enough for legend status

SO Wayne's impact on the game wasnt legendary when he was running sht mid to late 2000's?

Nikka fck all this "He doesnt rap like Nas/Jay sht"

Impact creates legends and when these dudes leave the game u best believe they will be regarded as legends by their respective regions and one of them may go beyond that.

yup. just like how i don't consider lil jon or 3 6 mafia legends just cuz they popularized crunk. you're right, impact does create legends more than just good music, but that's terribly overrated in the long scheme of things. the originator of a certain style or genre always gets forgotten or discredited, and anybody who does it better than them ends up being more recognized. there's no question new orleans and atl will regard the 3 as legends but i highly doubt those feeling will be reciprocated elsewhere. southern hip hop is already disparaged as it is, and represents a lot of the "ignorant rap" sector of hip-hop.

TI and Wayne were never great rappers?

So TI and Wayne were never proficent rappers in their primes?

Gay Cock Weezy didn't influence an entire generation of auto-tune using,tatted up,nasaly voiced, punchline addicted swag rappers?

Jeezy didn't create the sound and swag that's been running rap since 2005 with Trap Or Die and 101?

I notice the only nikkas in here sayin these dudes aren't legends are nikkas from NY or nikkas that are probably deep in their 30's

Actin as if Jay-Z's albums from Vol.2-Dynasty weren't forgettable or shyt like BP2,Kingdome Come,BP3 don't exist.

Actin like Nas catalog ain't full of bricks and fails.

Actin like Eminem has dropped anything worth talkin about since 2002, or had any type of influence on rap at all.

1. i don't know what you mean by great rappers, but they sure as hell never kicked it like jay, nas, big, or em.
2. proficient, maybe, but they don't have a single album in their catalog that's touching 5 star status. so i mean
3. so you would qualify someone who creates auto-tune using,tatted up,nasaly voiced, punchline addicted swag rappers, a legend?
4. the sound thats "running rap" right now would most likely be the lex luger-like beats. i don't even know that many rappers who still talk about the trap like that anymore. 2 chainz? gucci?
5. you wanna talk about proficiency and mention jay, nas, and em? vol 2, vol 3, and the dynasty were all released in a span of 3 years and they were all decent or solid albums. regardless if they were "forgettabe" or not. nas might got some duds in his catalog but neither jeezy ti or wayne will ever make an album like illmatic, lost tapes, it was written, god's son, etc. and even though em hasn't done shyt in a while, the mere fact that he was white, sold a shytstack of records, and was able to rap (rap as in, really, really, rap) is credible enough for him to be legend status. a lot of rappers would openly admit that they've been influenced by eminem as well.

 

[StatUS]

Gotta agree with this thread

 

[28 Gramz]

"I'm right here, in my chair
With my crown and my dear
Queen B, as I share
Mic time with my heir"-Jay-Z on Lil Wayne's album

 

[No Homo]

yes they are. Anyone who says they are not is in denial.

 

[BrothaZay]

impact and influence??? lol whod they impact and influence


all wack dudes.... TI and Jeezy still relevant??? no1 outside this site i know talkin bout em

RIP is one the hottest traccs in da streets

 

[Mike Statik]

T.I. is all over radio and has a T.V. show. How is he not relevant?

sucks that u listen to the radio and watch his show

outside of sports wtf are u watchin on tv

 

[Mike Statik]

nikka acting like BP3 aint better than the Carter 3

lmao theyre both beyond garbage tho

 

[reppin202]

lmao at this thread wayne's awful,Jeezy good music but HELL no and Ti fell the fck off.......

 

[blackslash]

lmao theyre both beyond garbage tho

and ur beyond cac

 

[Juneya]

Dnt bunch me in wit da rest of da wayne hataz...

But as one who was a fan of wayne back in his prime..I can understand why people would say he lost it

But theres also another element that Wayne's lost that people dnt realize they invested in when they fcked with Wayne.

That was Wayne's image
Wayne's image played a big part to alot of ppl fckin wit him.

WHen Wayne's image began to change post Carter 3 nikkaz had the face.

Also I peeped Wayne tryna be successful with Drake's style when he started to incorporate more singy songy sht in his sht which also wasnt a good look...when Drake's sht is more natural

ANyways point...is where Wayne fcked up the most is his image and upholding an image that would be worthy of the title best rapper alive..

His recent actions and moves started to make him out as a joke and with that the perception of the music is affected.

QUestion...

Do u think Dedication 4 is touchin Drought 3?

I do agree with you on Waynes image being important, and that was a factor i did not consider. Props for that.

Waynes image was important, everyone grew dreads and tat all over their body trying to look like wayne... And i was watching like, "WTF is going on?" lol... So yea you right.

But nikkahs wanting to look like wayne didnt make the music tho. The lyrics where not affected by his image. So yes, I agree, his image switched and that very may well be why these people are so anti wayne this year.

But... that dont mean he cant rap

 

[Juneya]

Dnt bunch me in wit da rest of da wayne hataz...

But as one who was a fan of wayne back in his prime..I can understand why people would say he lost it

But theres also another element that Wayne's lost that people dnt realize they invested in when they fcked with Wayne.

That was Wayne's image
Wayne's image played a big part to alot of ppl fckin wit him.

WHen Wayne's image began to change post Carter 3 nikkaz had the face.

Also I peeped Wayne tryna be successful with Drake's style when he started to incorporate more singy songy sht in his sht which also wasnt a good look...when Drake's sht is more natural

ANyways point...is where Wayne fcked up the most is his image and upholding an image that would be worthy of the title best rapper alive..

His recent actions and moves started to make him out as a joke and with that the perception of the music is affected.

QUestion...

Do u think Dedication 4 is touchin Drought 3?

Singing. I think the that Waynes voice is the most important factor in him rapping. It is what draws people to his music, its like an instrument in itself. He alters it, he did alot of voice work on and around Carter 2. Where he used his flow and voice to ride the tracks different.

that "eat you alive/vampire" song is a good example of that. And a good example of his musical potential. Beyond rap.

A good example of his writing ability, beyond rap lyrics, was Rebirth. Which was his best cd hands down.

So I dont agree with the drake comment.

And I really dont think we have to compare bodies of work like that. They are both good for what they are. I really enjoy dedication 4, to this day. He so funny on that shyt. I dont listen to much at all drought 3 at all. "Watch my shoes" was on there. I listen to that sometimes. That mike Jones song was on there too, i dont play it much but that shyt was amazing. I got so tired of wayne back then. It was just too much wayne.

 

[Bondye Vodou]

T.I the only one of them nikkaz with a real classic and he'd rap circles around both them nikkaz.

 

[hex]

at people talking about "but Wayne influenced Kendrick Lamar".

If you've seen his "favorite 25 albums" list from Complex or he said half the list influenced him. So at specifically mentioning Wayne. You might as well mention Snoop, Quik, Ice Cube, BIG, Jay-Z, etc.

Fred.

 

[JustCKing]

It's not premature, he changed the rap game and was and still is the leading artist in trap music. A subgenre he "created"/"changed"/"revitalized". Dudes impact is so huge that he (due to Meech of course) changed the strip club game.

You can't only talk about sales or how long you've been hot.
Cause Jeezy moved more than most 80s and 90s legends in times of free downloading and streaming services. And has been commercially relevant for just or longer than most of them.

TI is Jeezys nikka, Jeezy also had Plies and Warren G on his singles.
So recruiting someone for your singles doesn't necessarily mean that they are "hotter", if that's what you are saying.


Somewhat relevant is still a funny term, he moved more than all the so called relevant artists excluding the Jiggas, Kanyes and Ymcbs. Unless you're indicating that you need a platinum album to be relevant in 2013.

Longevity is why it's pre-mature to label him legendary. How exactly is Jeezy a game changer? Trap music was sub-genre, before people knew who Jeezy was. It was a sound pioneered by rappers who dropped albums a decade before Jeezy or T.I. popped up on the scene. At most, T.I. and Jeezy were both influential in popularizing trap music. T.I.'s impact goes beyond trap music as at one point, people were looking at him as the Jay Z of the South. He wasn't even that big at that point.

In comparison, there's a lot of rappers out today that have been hot longer than guys from the 80's. I'm comparing Jeezy to the two artists that he's mentioned with. In terms of legendary status, he doesn't stack up to Wayne or T.I. Basically, his career isn't legendary just yet.

What I'm indicating by somewhat relevant is not sales or units. Wayne (I don't view Wayne like that, but doesn't change the fact that he does) and T.I. are rappers that get respect as artists. Their impact and influence are greater than Jeezy.

I'll put it this way, Wayne and T.I.'s respective 6th albums really put them on a different playing field than their contemporaries. That's where Jeezy is at in his career right now.