"TI, Jeezy & Wayne are legends just as much as any MC ever"

[CrimsonTider]

You are such a crybaby

Cant wait till you follow up with the "Nobody in rap is a legend" thread.

Why are you so emotional?

I speak the truth

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Longevity is why it's pre-mature to label him legendary. How exactly is Jeezy a game changer? Trap music was sub-genre, before people knew who Jeezy was. It was a sound pioneered by rappers who dropped albums a decade before Jeezy or T.I. popped up on the scene. At most, T.I. and Jeezy were both influential in popularizing trap music. T.I.'s impact goes beyond trap music as at one point, people were looking at him as the Jay Z of the South. He wasn't even that big at that point.

In comparison, there's a lot of rappers out today that have been hot longer than guys from the 80's. I'm comparing Jeezy to the two artists that he's mentioned with. In terms of legendary status, he doesn't stack up to Wayne or T.I. Basically, his career isn't legendary just yet.

What I'm indicating by somewhat relevant is not sales or units. Wayne (I don't view Wayne like that, but doesn't change the fact that he does) and T.I. are rappers that get respect as artists. Their impact and influence are greater than Jeezy.

I'll put it this way, Wayne and T.I.'s respective 6th albums really put them on a different playing field than their contemporaries. That's where Jeezy is at in his career right now.

Regarding your last two points:

I never said T.I. invented trap music. Now, you did in fact state that Jeezy was the creator of it. That wasn't me. In fact, I clearly stated that T.I. and Jeezy popularized it. There's no way that you can justify saying that Jeezy created trap music based on what you are saying in your reply that's supposed to be an argument against what I stated.

Being called the Jay Z of the South has a lot to do with musical impact. When T.I. dropped his first album, Jay Z was already being hailed as one of the best to ever do it. For T.I. to even be compared to someone of that caliber when T.I. clearly wasn't on most people's radar like that, speaks volumes for how his music impacted peers and listeners. Pharrell was the one who made the claim and he'd worked with both of them at that point. T.I. wasn't even known as a business or making pop singles at that stage in his career.

youre confusing legendary status with mainstream status. just because jeezy isnt in the TMZ realm and doesnt run around making blatant sellout records, doesnt mean hes not as big as them.

in the rap world, jeezy is just as legendary as wayne and more legendary than tip.

and that whole "jay-z of the south" & "king of the south" chit was just a bullchit propaganda campaign pushed by tip, atlantic records & the media(especially vibe magazine).

 

[JustCKing]

youre confusing legendary status with mainstream status. just because jeezy isnt in the TMZ realm and doesnt run around making blatant sellout records, doesnt mean hes not as big as them.

in the rap world, jeezy is just as legendary as wayne and more legendary than tip.

and that whole "jay-z of the south" & "king of the south" chit was just a bullchit propaganda campaign pushed by tip, atlantic records & the media(especially vibe magazine).

Jeezy's definitely not looked at as a better rapper than either Wayne or T.I. He doesn't have the longevity of either of them either.

Jeezy is not as legendary as Wayne or T.I. on any level. Both you and Harry B keep bringing up mainstream status when my initial post wasn't even focused on that. Above all longevity was something that was emphasized. To think that Young Jeezy is more legendary than Wayne and T.I. is pure delusion. It's like saying that DMX and 50 Cent is more legendary than Nas and Jay Z.

T.I. popularized and identified a sub-genre that gave Jeezy a platform. People are saying that Jeezy basically dumbed down what T.I. and others before him were doing.

LOL @ "Jay Z of the South" and "King of the South" being a propaganda campaign. Was Pharrell employed by Atlantic? Why would the media put so much stock in propaganda for a rapper that wasn't even that huge at the time? And if we're talking propaganda, one could argue that propaganda courtesy of Def Jam and Bad Boy South was present for Jeezy as well.

 

[Mike Statik]

and ur beyond cac

 

[Shadow King]

Any niqqa disclaiming them as legends is blatantly hating. Talent, cultural impact, and bodies of work all add up to legendary status. Like said before, they not Jordan-Magic-Bird status in the HOF but maybe a Clyde-Zeke-Malone level. There's is no viable reason to say they aren't.

And yes, ALL 3 are legends.

 

[Rakim Allah]

Any niqqa disclaiming them as legends is blatantly hating. Talent, cultural impact, and bodies of work all add up to legendary status. Like said before, they not Jordan-Magic-Bird status in the HOF but maybe a Clyde-Zeke-Malone level. There's is no viable reason to say they aren't.

And yes, ALL 3 are legends.

I agree for the most part except for the cultural impact part...when it comes to Hip Hop Culture they had very little impact and could care less if they did.

Those 3 are more David Thompson/Bob McAdoo/Michael Ray Richardson level.

 

[Shadow King]

I agree for the most part except for the cultural impact part...when it comes to Hip Hop Culture they had very little impact and could care less if they did.

Those 3 are more David Thompson/Bob McAdoo/Michael Ray Richardson level.

T.I. was one of the biggest rappers of the 2000's. Jeezy's sound birthed what we've been hearing since '05. Wayne has changed the mixtape game and influenced a handful of rappers after him as well. They left their marks.

 

[Rakim Allah]

T.I. was one of the biggest rappers of the 2000's. Jeezy's sound birthed what we've been hearing since '05. Wayne has changed the mixtape game and influenced a handful of rappers after him as well. They left their marks.

Those marks are left for the fake jews not black and latin young men who created Hip Hop out of neglect from the same people who decided to invest in "Hip Hop" ONLY when it was guaranteed money maker.

Those so called legends U speak of BOW DOWN to Satan and his minions who run the music industry... THAT AIN'T HIP HOP

 

[AntoineWalkerShimmy]

Feel like Weezy gets shyt on too much for his dumb antics and diminishing rapping that we forget his importance from 05-08.

Carter II, Carter III were dope but more important than that, Wayne was SLAUGHTERING every freestyle and feature he was on. There was a reason he was coined the mixtape monster; he's partially responsible for the rise of mixtapes and was putting out classics with his older shyt.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Jeezy's definitely not looked at as a better rapper than either Wayne or T.I. He doesn't have the longevity of either of them either.

Jeezy is not as legendary as Wayne or T.I. on any level. Both you and Harry B keep bringing up mainstream status when my initial post wasn't even focused on that. Above all longevity was something that was emphasized. To think that Young Jeezy is more legendary than Wayne and T.I. is pure delusion. It's like saying that DMX and 50 Cent is more legendary than Nas and Jay Z.

T.I. popularized and identified a sub-genre that gave Jeezy a platform. People are saying that Jeezy basically dumbed down what T.I. and others before him were doing.

LOL @ "Jay Z of the South" and "King of the South" being a propaganda campaign. Was Pharrell employed by Atlantic? Why would the media put so much stock in propaganda for a rapper that wasn't even that huge at the time? And if we're talking propaganda, one could argue that propaganda courtesy of Def Jam and Bad Boy South was present for Jeezy as well.

meh. i see where this was going.

not to down you but if youre not in the streets and you just follow rap thru tv & radio, then you wont understand how legendary jeezy is. this dude had an actual movement. the last movement in hip-hop. in comparison, tip is just a hot rapper with a couple bangin albums and a healthy amount of jams under his belt. and lets be clear, jeezy did way more for trap muzik than tip. granted, tip deserves credit for blowing up with the style first but jeezy took it to a whole new level. and majority of the cats that followed were much more in line with what jeezy was doing.

also, jeezy's catalog is more popular & more consistent than tip's. when's the last time a t.i. album was even poppin? jeezy just dropped tm103 at the end of 2011 and it was poppin thru the entire 2012. nor did he ever drop a str8 dude album, which tip has done plenty of times.

and even if you want to go the commercial route, jeezy's sales are much more impressive than tip's.

and yes, that king of the south chit was str8 propaganda b. a nicca like me saw that chit coming a mile away. and who the hell is pharrell? nobody cares about dude's opinion. lol.

jeezy's chit had already taken off before the boyz n the hood album & def jam's push. the labels were moreso cashing in on him. not comparable to tip at all.

on some real chit, this whole tri-fecta needs to be revised anyway. i think its time to come to grips with the fact that rick ross done surpassed tip.

Any niqqa disclaiming them as legends is blatantly hating. Talent, cultural impact, and bodies of work all add up to legendary status. Like said before, they not Jordan-Magic-Bird status in the HOF but maybe a Clyde-Zeke-Malone level. There's is no viable reason to say they aren't.

And yes, ALL 3 are legends.

these dudes arent no dam clyde-zeke-malone level. NO WAY NO HOW.

i agree that theyre legends but theyre moreso like bottom-tier legends.

T.I. was one of the biggest rappers of the 2000's. Jeezy's sound birthed what we've been hearing since '05. Wayne has changed the mixtape game and influenced a handful of rappers after him as well. They left their marks.

wayne didnt change the mixtape game.

and those props youre giving to tip & jeezy are good for their time period, but pale in comparison to ALOT of other legends when you look at the big picture and include the other 30 years of hip-hop.

Feel like Weezy gets shyt on too much for his dumb antics and diminishing rapping that we forget his importance from 05-08.

Carter II, Carter III were dope but more important than that, Wayne was SLAUGHTERING every freestyle and feature he was on. There was a reason he was coined the mixtape monster; he's partially responsible for the rise of mixtapes and was putting out classics with his older shyt.

mixtapes were already risen before wayne decided to make one.

yall gassin these dudes too much.

 

[iamstr8fire]

youre confusing legendary status with mainstream status. just because jeezy isnt in the TMZ realm and doesnt run around making blatant sellout records, doesnt mean hes not as big as them.

in the rap world, jeezy is just as legendary as wayne and more legendary than tip.

and that whole "jay-z of the south" & "king of the south" chit was just a bullchit propaganda campaign pushed by tip, atlantic records & the media(especially vibe magazine).

Do you think Jeezy's music ages well? I was all about him with TM101 and TM102 (and the mixtapes that came out around that time) but I listen to that stuff now and I'm like .

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Do you think Jeezy's music ages well? I was all about him with TM101 and TM102 (and the mixtapes that came out around that time) but I listen to that stuff now and I'm like .

in comparison to most of his peers, yes.

 

[Shadow King]

these dudes arent no dam clyde-zeke-malone level. NO WAY NO HOW.

i agree that theyre legends but theyre moreso like bottom-tier legends.



wayne didnt change the mixtape game.

and those props youre giving to tip & jeezy are good for their time period, but pale in comparison to ALOT of other legends when you look at the big picture and include the other 30 years of hip-hop.



mixtapes were already risen before wayne decided to make one.

yall gassin these dudes too much.

The analogy wasn't on point

Wayne's work ethic/flood of mixtapes from 05-08 has shortened rap's attention span. I don't like it but nowadays after like 8 months after a project people think you 'disappeared'. People have become used to shyt dropping every few months.

I think a whole sound being copied for the better part of a decade is enough impact. The reason that it may seem small is because the offspring of Jeezy's brand of trap music aren't particularly talented as rappers.

 

[28 Gramz]

nikkas really saying Jeezy didn't have any impact on this generations sound? He (and his producers) changed the whole game with TM101. Probably the most influential nikka aside from Kanye West.

Read this and tell me it's not true....

Young Jeezy, Let's Get It: Thug Motivation 101 (2005) — 25 Rap Albums From the Past Decade That Deserve Classic Status | Complex

If the early 2000s marked the emergence of Atlanta as one of, if not the most important, scenes in hip-hop, Thug Motivation 101 was its apotheosis—the moment when all of the energy on the streets and in clubs, the apocalyptic production of Shawty Redd and Drumma Boy, the totalizing rasp of Jeezy's voice became a region and generation's defining sound.

By the mid-2000s, the club-friendly Lil Jon bangers had given way to something more dilapidated, harsher. The trap house aesthetic pioneered on Jeezy's Trap or Die mixtape and this album sent shock waves throughout the South, reorienting everything to orbit around its totalitarian vision.



TI coined the term trap music, but his shyt was more of the traditional style..rapping over more sample based shyt, from a street corner perspective. The reason dudes rap 6 word sentences and just swag over horror movie based trap beats is Jeezy, that's not a good thing but you can't deny his impact at all.

 

[JustCKing]

meh. i see where this was going.

not to down you but if youre not in the streets and you just follow rap thru tv & radio, then you wont understand how legendary jeezy is. this dude had an actual movement. the last movement in hip-hop. in comparison, tip is just a hot rapper with a couple bangin albums and a healthy amount of jams under his belt. and lets be clear, jeezy did way more for trap muzik than tip. granted, tip deserves credit for blowing up with the style first but jeezy took it to a whole new level. and majority of the cats that followed were much more in line with what jeezy was doing.

also, jeezy's catalog is more popular & more consistent than tip's. when's the last time a t.i. album was even poppin? jeezy just dropped tm103 at the end of 2011 and it was poppin thru the entire 2012. nor did he ever drop a str8 dude album, which tip has done plenty of times.

and even if you want to go the commercial route, jeezy's sales are much more impressive than tip's.

and yes, that king of the south chit was str8 propaganda b. a nicca like me saw that chit coming a mile away. and who the hell is pharrell? nobody cares about dude's opinion. lol.

jeezy's chit had already taken off before the boyz n the hood album & def jam's push. the labels were moreso cashing in on him. not comparable to tip at all.

on some real chit, this whole tri-fecta needs to be revised anyway. i think its time to come to grips with the fact that rick ross done surpassed tip.



these dudes arent no dam clyde-zeke-malone level. NO WAY NO HOW.

i agree that theyre legends but theyre moreso like bottom-tier legends.



wayne didnt change the mixtape game.

and those props youre giving to tip & jeezy are good for their time period, but pale in comparison to ALOT of other legends when you look at the big picture and include the other 30 years of hip-hop.



mixtapes were already risen before wayne decided to make one.

yall gassin these dudes too much.

Musically speaking, it's still a reach to compare Young Jeezy to T.I. A huge reach. You're saying that "King of the South" (which is something you brought up and I never mentioned that) and "Jay Z of the South" is "propaganda". Well, Jeezy's "movement" is also propaganda. If by movement, you mean those Snowman T-shirts that were banned, then the word movement has lost its definition.

You claim that Jeezy did more for trap music than T.I., but state that T.I. "blew up the style". Enough said. It's like saying that Kanye did more for sped up sampling by re-introducing it and taking it to another level than RZA who blew up the style in the first place.

Jeezy's catalog being more popular than T.I.'s is all opinion. It can't be backed up by anything substantial. T.I. dropping duds is also a matter of opinion.

Jeezy's record sales being more impressive than T.I.'s pure delusion. That's definitely not a fact.

You can feel however you want about Pharrell's opinion on T.I., it still holds more weight being that he worked with both Jay Z and T.I. We are just on the outside looking in, Pharrell was actually there making songs with these guys.