Tim Duncan > Kobe Bryant according to ESPN writer

[Reggie]

If I had the choice i'm picking Tim without question. But it is close and really you wouldn't be wrong in picking either of them. They are just that close in individual and team awards. Kobe's got more finals appearances and one more ring. But Duncan got two more MVP's then him. I just know Tim would be easier to build around and I still would have liked to see Tim play with a dynamic athletic player in the line of a T-Mac Kobe AI Vince type to see how many rings he would have had. Parker and Ginobili came on as Tim got older but I would have like to see Tim play with that dominant scorer at the guard spot when he was around 24-28. Because sometimes I think San Antonio lost in the playoffs just because they didn't have another dominant scorer. For the most part they have won with great defense a bunch of mediocre players who play the system the right way and a dominant Tim Duncan.

 

[Da_Eggman]

To win you one game, both at their primes the logical choice is Kobe. You're lying to yourself if you're choosing Duncan. Y'all damn well know Kobe could slow down the opposing teams best player and also come back on offense and give you 30+.

Plus if the game is close you know he has that clutch factor too.

Duncan is a good player but benefits from playing in a system where the ball is run through the post and and has an excellent coach. Kobe was great playing within the system Phil ran but was also great playing outside of it at times when the championship teams he played on were struggling down the stretch of key games.

Kobe is the more versatile player and brings more to the table. Kobe> Duncan

Kobe is the best player post Michael, please let's stop all this revisionist bullshyt.

damn dog for real you have a serious future in comedy i see the next Tyler Perry

 

[Dwight Howard]

Some horrible logic in here let's clear some things up...


1. Let's stop using Finals MVP's as a part of the criteria. It means nothing in this argument. Kobe averaged 25 5 5 in a Finals in which he didn't win Finals MVP. The series before that he averaged 35, hanging 40 on the Spurs 2x. But I guess because he only averaged 25/5/5 his championship can't be held to the same standard as Timmy's. You have to consider the matchups as well, both Dumcan and Shaq got to play some weak ass Eastern Congerence squads with virtually not one respectable big man. Shaq and Tim were going to win MVP's in those series' by default. It's common sense.

2. Yea let's totally forget this is Duncan's bck from the dead season. Kobe has been consistently great for 14 years. 14. Very little to no dip in production.

3. Tim Duncan being the best PF holds no weight in this argument. It's irrelevant considering a) Duncan didn't play PF for his entire career 2) had he played 5 he wouldn't be considered the greatest 5 C) there is no Michael Jordan of the PF position. There is no Magic, Kareem, or Bird to compare with. He's competing with dudes like Charles and Malone who are both ringless. So it's faulty logic to say Tim is better than Kobe because he's the best PF of all time. That's basically saying Tim is better than kobe cause Kobe isn't better than Jordan. I've taken multiple logic courses and that type of logic is faulty.

4. Are we forgetting the last time these 2 met in the playoffs, Kobe eliminated Duncan. No Shaq btw. Are we forgetting the 4-2 playoff head-to-head record in which Kobe played a significant role?

5. When it comes to the Spur's success why does Duncan get all the credit meanwhile when it's Kobe you hear people bringing up Phil, Pau, Sgaq, etc..as if Duncan hasn't been consistently blessed with some of greatest supporting casts, Pop included.


6. Stop bringing up Timmy final's record. Like many have said, getting to the finals is better than not getting there at all.
5-2 >>> 4-4. You don't get credit for gettin eliminated as a #1 seed, etc.

7. Kobe has more miles, has carried a bigger load throughout his career and was STILL playing at a higher level than Tim up until his Achilles tore. That's greatness.

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

Shaq (MOST DOMINANT EVER). Phil Jackson (GOAT COACH), Pau Gasol (TOP 5 PF IN PRIME), must i go on

If Shaq is MDE, how did he go to only 6 finals compared to Kobes 7?
Pau Gasol? The same Pau with zero playoff wins pre Kobe? You don't realize that every time you try to make Kobe look bad, he ends up looking better.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The coli

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

To win you one game, both at their primes the logical choice is Kobe. You're lying to yourself if you're choosing Duncan. Y'all damn well know Kobe could slow down the opposing teams best player and also come back on offense and give you 30+.

Plus if the game is close you know he has that clutch factor too.

Duncan is a good player but benefits from playing in a system where the ball is run through the post and and has an excellent coach. Kobe was great playing within the system Phil ran but was also great playing outside of it at times when the championship teams he played on were struggling down the stretch of key games.

Kobe is the more versatile player and brings more to the table. Kobe> Duncan

Kobe is the best player post Michael, please let's stop all this revisionist bullshyt.

Stopped taking your post seriously at that point............

 

[IGSaint12]

don't really see how this is controversial at all. Tim is the best PF ever and one of the best big men to ever do it.

a young Tim Duncan was going toe to toe with the same Shaq who was not only one of the most dominant players ever, but also the same Shaq who Kobe was a clear 2nd fiddle to; and holding his own


If you switch their two situations, Duncan probably has like 7 rings right now and Kobe has MAYBE 1.

Explain to me how kobe was a clear second fiddle, do you even know what that means?

 

[Jplaya2023]

That's what hurts Kobe. His prime was wasted on bad teams.

Kobe's "prime" was only 3 years?

 

[L68]

Some horrible logic in here let's clear some things up...


1. Let's stop using Finals MVP's as a part of the criteria. It means nothing in this argument. Kobe averaged 25 5 5 in a Finals in which he didn't win Finals MVP. The series before that he averaged 35, hanging 40 on the Spurs 2x. But I guess because he only averaged 25/5/5 his championship can't be held to the same standard as Timmy's. You have to consider the matchups as well, both Dumcan and Shaq got to play some weak ass Eastern Congerence squads with virtually not one respectable big man. Shaq and Tim were going to win MVP's in those series' by default. It's common sense.

2. Yea let's totally forget this is Duncan's bck from the dead season. Kobe has been consistently great for 14 years. 14. Very little to no dip in production.

3. Tim Duncan being the best PF holds no weight in this argument. It's irrelevant considering a) Duncan didn't play PF for his entire career 2) had he played 5 he wouldn't be considered the greatest 5 C) there is no Michael Jordan of the PF position. There is no Magic, Kareem, or Bird to compare with. He's competing with dudes like Charles and Malone who are both ringless. So it's faulty logic to say Tim is better than Kobe because he's the best PF of all time. That's basically saying Tim is better than kobe cause Kobe isn't better than Jordan. I've taken multiple logic courses and that type of logic is faulty.

4. Are we forgetting the last time these 2 met in the playoffs, Kobe eliminated Duncan. No Shaq btw. Are we forgetting the 4-2 playoff head-to-head record in which Kobe played a significant role?

5. When it comes to the Spur's success why does Duncan get all the credit meanwhile when it's Kobe you hear people bringing up Phil, Pau, Sgaq, etc..as if Duncan hasn't been consistently blessed with some of greatest supporting casts, Pop included.


6. Stop bringing up Timmy final's record. Like many have said, getting to the finals is better than not getting there at all.
5-2 >>> 4-4. You don't get credit for gettin eliminated as a #1 seed, etc.

7. Kobe has more miles, has carried a bigger load throughout his career and was STILL playing at a higher level than Tim up until his Achilles tore. That's greatness.

:homo:

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Explain to me how kobe was a clear second fiddle, do you even know what that means?

Kobe groupies are allergic to reality

 

[Jplaya2023]

Kobe has never been on an 8th seed team. What are you talking about?

How many times has Duncan been to the finals compared to Kobe? How many times has Duncan lost to a lower seed compared to Kobe?

how many playoff series has kobe won without HCA since shaq left

 

[Street Knowledge]

Kobe has the better career and he's the better basketball player. It should also be noted that Duncan is one of the few ATGs who's never been to back to back finals let alone successfully defend his title. Think about it

Lebron is on his way to his 3rd straight finals and potential back to back champioships
Bird went to 4 straight finals
Magic 3 straight
Hakeem 2 straight Finals/back to back rings
Shaq 3straight from 00-02
Jordan 3 straight 91-93/96-98
Kobe 08-10
Russell won like 8 straight championships

His teams had a tendency to flame out right after they won a title, half the time to squads with Bryant(2004/2008) on them.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

this is retarded. Where did you come up with 7 rings? Where did you come up with 1 ring? Oh and @Malta, how come there's no deduction in Duncan's career for all these years he's choked as a top seed?


2009 playoffs as 3rd seed lost to 6th seed Mavs

2011 playoffs, lost as the NUMBER 1 seed to the Grizzlies

2012 playoffs, lost as number 1 seed to the number 2 Thunder. Dropped 4 straight games

So you're telling me if Duncan had Kobe's roster, he would do so much better when in fact he's been number 1 seed numerous times and choked against lower seeded teams?

So please, tell me how Duncan's career is so much better? Please tell me how he hasn't been 2nd option since 2007 while Kobe has been number 1 option since 2005. Please tell me how Kobe has CONSISTENTLY abused Duncan led teams throughout his career.

Y'all are or nah?

In 09, Ginobili got hurt at the end of season and missed round 1 of the playoffs. In 2011, Duncan had injuries to his knee and both ankles and played through them quietly and Ginobili missed game 1 and played the rest of the series with a broken arm.

No shame in losing to OKC last year. They were a very good team and just better.

It's not like they got swept by a 3 seed in the 2nd round or anything.

 

[Dwight Howard]

Kobe groupies are allergic to reality

cause in reality 2nd fiddle player average 37ppg in the WCF

name 1 second-fiddle player that averaged 30ppg in a playoff series.

 

[Dwight Howard]

In 09, Ginobili got hurt at the end of season. In 2011, Duncan had injuries to his knee and both ankles and played through them quietly and Ginobili missed game 1 and played the rest of the series with a broken arm.

No shame in losing to OKC last year. They were a very good team and just better.

What about 2008? WCF. It was Game 1, 3rd quarter, SPurs are up 65-45. And what happens next?