Time isn't real

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Maintenance of an active lifestyle means better health, which directly correlates with better cell regeneration. There's nothing special about it. If you choose to remain active, so be it. If you think getting old means you gotta park your ass in front of a tv and do nothing then so be it too. Your choices just make you die faster.

You can't 'not know what time it is', however. You literally cannot be aware of your body ageing. All you can do is just keep moving and slow the process.

"literally" though, almost everyone is at least somewhat consciously aware of it due to its inevitability..granted..but what you were otherwise saying is an underlying part of the point i was trying to make in the OP. Mind you, that was 3 years ago and I could have worded it a bit better..

The societies and the people within the societies that have less of a focus on time and the process thereof, stay "younger" mentally..now, obviously, i highly doubt there is empirical data to re-inforce this other than generic life expectancies in given locations that seem to be more aloof regarding time...but, from what ive witnessed, those that simply continue to do the things they always have stay sharper and therefore seem younger than their age (and sometimes look the part as well). I know 90 year olds that still do heavy yardwork and play sports every week even after accumulating injuries and joint pain for decades..I also know 60 and 70 year olds who decided to not fight through the same injuries and got sedentary..sometimes they look about the same age and the 90 year old is living the more vibrant life, essentially living like an average 50-60 year old would while some of those people are instead living like they would be in a convalescent home.

Staying young can be a matter of will and not focusing on their age and being 'near the finish line' in almost an ignorant way makes them live a more blissful life with less stress..and we can all agree that stress is a major downfall in people's lives.
 

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"literally" though, almost everyone is at least somewhat consciously aware of it due to its inevitability..granted..but what you were otherwise saying is an underlying part of the point i was trying to make in the OP. Mind you, that was 3 years ago and I could have worded it a bit better..

The societies and the people within the societies that have less of a focus on time and the process thereof, stay "younger" mentally..now, obviously, i highly doubt there is empirical data to re-inforce this other than generic life expectancies in given locations that seem to be more aloof regarding time...but, from what ive witnessed, those that simply continue to do the things they always have stay sharper and therefore seem younger than their age (and sometimes look the part as well). I know 90 year olds that still do heavy yardwork and play sports every week even after accumulating injuries and joint pain for decades..I also know 60 and 70 year olds who decided to not fight through the same injuries and got sedentary..sometimes they look about the same age and the 90 year old is living the more vibrant life, essentially living like an average 50-60 year old would while some of those people are instead living like they would be in a convalescent home.

Staying young can be a matter of will and not focusing on their age and being 'near the finish line' in almost an ignorant way makes them live a more blissful life with less stress..and we can all agree that stress is a major downfall in people's lives.
Put that way, it makes much more sense.

It's almost like a sort of placebo effect where your mind literally convinces your body you can still do the things you did when you were younger. I mean, thinking about the placebo effect - the mysterious yet somehow scientifically proven notion that your mind can literally will your body to heal even without external stimulus :wow:

I'm seeing your true meaning in much more clarity now. Damn, I gotta adopt this when I approach 50. :wow:
 

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I hate a shyt load of shrooms and time literally stopped. I lost my concept of time. I felt like I was there for days when it was only hours.

Don't know what the hell you mean by that you hate shrooms but I ate a bunch of shrooms once and also felt like time was frozen. I thought I was in this apartment for 8 hours but it was only 2.
 

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Hey @VMR
question
what do you mean by real?
as in
-time is real if...
-time is not real if...
 

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show us one example vis-a-vis the topic of this thread
can you show us one individual that has stopped their aging?

"Stopping" aging would imply near immortality. I have yet to see an example of this. In terms of "will" and not giving in to aches and pains as well as "typical" age behavior..there are countless examples of living an incredibly long life and/or regaining health..which could be interpretated as dramatically slowing the aging process..specifically compared to the alternative. You can look at fitness gurus like Jack LaLanne who lived to 96 by doing his daily routines for 81 straight years and died likely because he refused to seek medical treatment when he got pneumonia.
  • 1980 (age 66) – towed 10 boats in North Miami, Florida. The boats carried 77 people, and he towed them for over one mile (1.6 km) in less than one hour.
  • 1984 (age 70) – handcuffed, shackled, and fighting strong winds and currents, he towed 70 rowboats, one with several guests, from the Queen's Way Bridge in the Long Beach Harbor to the Queen Mary, 1 mile
I think its safe to assume he thought along the same lines of the philosophical belief of living longer by maintaining regimen. Sure, his example this fitness and nutrition as well and saying that he stayed "young" because of "will and belief" cant be confirmed nor denied..but his ridiculous fitness and dedication to regimen can be safely attributed to a strong will and determination. He looked much younger than his age would normally dictate for countless years and his physical accomplishments were that of muhc younger people as well.

On the other end of the spectrum..buddhist monks generally live long and healthy lives by maintaining routine for decades. Also, I think 2 years ago..a 90+ year old veteran was invited to the White House as a celebration and he was asked what the key was to his long life and good health..and he said his routine of whiskey and cigars. Needless to say, Michelle wasnt pleased since she was pushing her little mandate for public school food. On a personal note..my mother is in her mid 60's and people think she's in her 40's. She went through chemo and survived cancer..she said the key to it was simply believing it was just another obstacle that wasnt necessarily due to her age and kept doing what she normally does during treatment and after. I helped to convince her of this as well and refused to coddle her as if she was weak. Her hair grew back remarkably fast, with color, and she finished her treatment in her early 60's. You can make the genetics argument, and i wouldnt argue that genetics isnt a strong factor, but having a strong will to live and be "younger than their age" must also be taken into account and I dont think I need to go fishing for quotes from the countless older people who look and act much younger than they are who credit will, determination and a simple rejection of aging (to a certain degree) for contributing to their health..outside of fitness, nutrition and just having good genes.

Hey @VMR
question
what do you mean by real?
as in
-time is real if...
-time is not real if...

id have to think about this specific question a bit to answer in the proper way that id like to but just to throw some shyt out there for the hell of it

- time is real if it is defined as a simple aggregate of other factors, not as an absolute phenomenon in and of itself and is also accepted to be true that it can be perceived much differently from organism to organism and society to society in a tangible and intangible sense...and also that it is not accepted to be true under the same calculations that we use here in a scientific/mathematical sense universally (outer space/planets/galaxies) due to the lack of the ability to properly test it yet. aging and time is likely to be vastly different in other places compared to earth. these things could make time reduced completely to perception and perception is highly fallible.
 

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Yeah people always act surprised when I tell them this has all been one long moment and there is no beginning or end. That it is just their turn to step out of the waves and manifest they're energy and move in this universe. Like when you die you just fall back to the waves.
Sorry for going off topic
I was listening to Alan watts last night. He said the exact same thing, we like to divide life into episodes but it's a whole in its entirety.
 

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"Stopping" aging would imply near immortality. I have yet to see an example of this. In terms of "will" and not giving in to aches and pains as well as "typical" age behavior..there are countless examples of living an incredibly long life and/or regaining health..which could be interpretated as dramatically slowing the aging process..specifically compared to the alternative. You can look at fitness gurus like Jack LaLanne who lived to 96 by doing his daily routines for 81 straight years and died likely because he refused to seek medical treatment when he got pneumonia. I think its safe to assume he thought along the same lines of the philosophical belief of living longer by maintaining regimen. Sure, his example this fitness and nutrition as well and saying that he stayed "young" because of "will and belief" cant be confirmed nor denied..but his ridiculous fitness and dedication to regimen can be safely attributed to a strong will and determination. He looked much younger than his age would normally dictate for countless years and his physical accomplishments were that of muhc younger people as well.

On the other end of the spectrum..buddhist monks generally live long and healthy lives by maintaining routine for decades. Also, I think 2 years ago..a 90+ year old veteran was invited to the White House as a celebration and he was asked what the key was to his long life and good health..and he said his routine of whiskey and cigars. Needless to say, Michelle wasnt pleased since she was pushing her little mandate for public school food. On a personal note..my mother is in her mid 60's and people think she's in her 40's. She went through chemo and survived cancer..she said the key to it was simply believing it was just another obstacle that wasnt necessarily due to her age and kept doing what she normally does during treatment and after. I helped to convince her of this as well and refused to coddle her as if she was weak. Her hair grew back remarkably fast, with color, and she finished her treatment in her early 60's. You can make the genetics argument, and i wouldnt argue that genetics isnt a strong factor, but having a strong will to live and be "younger than their age" must also be taken into account and I dont think I need to go fishing for quotes from the countless older people who look and act much younger than they are who credit will, determination and a simple rejection of aging (to a certain degree) for contributing to their health..outside of fitness, nutrition and just having good genes.
too much philosophy
need more local/causal observations
 
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