Tired Of George "In No Rush" St-Pierre

[Roman Brady]

Dan Hardy had beaten Mike Swick (pre-injury) in a #1 contender fight and he was on a 7 fight win streak before fighting GSP. And at least Hardy has knockout power. Hardy wasn't great but he wasn't a scrub either.

Bonnar's best win is Keith Jardine. 7 years ago.

first of all who is mike swick? and u are harping about hardy's 7 fight win streak like he was about it. With such names as Daniel Weichel,Chad Reiner, Manuel Garcia, marcus davis, rory markam i mean WOW! those were/are world beaters.

Lavar johnson has gone on a 7 and 8 fight win streaks in his career and he beat patt barry, suppose he aint a scrub now right?

 

[bogey_j]

this guy phillycavsfan is a typical stan. I knew he was going divert the conversation away to quality of opponents (to attack bonnar as a fighter) instead of addressing the real crux of the argument. typical stan smokescreen tactic. BTW silva clowned all the guys you mentioned too, and I bet he'll clown weidman as well

silva must've been thinking "lol the fukk are you doing? seriously?"

^couldn't find the gif but here's picture perfect flying knee to maia's grill. even though it was his worst fight (only because of excessive taunting as I was still entertained), silva clowned THE fukk OUT of maia. maia, a REAL world class BJJ master who is currently RUNNING THROUGH welterweight, not a fukking nick diaz who you're trying to prop up as a worldbeater and I like nick

 

[phillycavsfan]

Didn't Silva just clown Sonnen with a knee to the chest to finish him for the second time.

Didn't Silva clown on Belfort, who almost broke Jon Bones arms, which he probably could have did, if he didn't let go

come on man Silva is clearly the most talented fighter to ever do MMA

He wasn't taunting or toying with those fighters though. He capitalized on both of those fighter's mistakes in spectacular fashion (in the case of Sonnen, twice). I'm just saying what @bogey_j was a piss poor analysis of what Silva usually does in the Octagon. I'm not denying his greatness.

Mike Swick was a very good welterweight who was 1 fight away from a title shot before losing to Hardy in 2009. He's been hampered by injuries since and he's only fought 3 times since then.

Lavar Johnson is a mid-level, top 15 heavyweight. He might have the worst ground game in the UFC. But in the context of the HW division, which is the most shallow weight class in all of MMA, he's okay.

 

[Northern Son]

People complain because he clearly has a dominant skillset but only uses it to neutralize his opponents and does just enough to outscore them. He preys on his opponents weaknesses and leaves it at that. If an opponent is weak on standup he'll 1-2 them all night long without turning it up and going for the knockout. If an opponent has a weak takedown defense he'll easily take them down and do enough maneuvering to stay on top withoutreally damaging them.

GSP is probably the most unbeatable opponent in MMA due to his lack of risk taking. But I think people want to see him take the Jon Jones route and use his physical skills to attack and truly destroy opponents. Not simply outscoring them.

Exactly this

 

[Roman Brady]

Mike Swick was a very good welterweight who was 1 fight away from a title shot before losing to Hardy in 2009.

because the ufc were scraping the bottom of the barrel to offer gsp sacrificial lamb.Not because he earned it through merit.So i dont know why u mentioned that.

Lavar Johnson is a mid-level, top 15 heavyweight. .

stopped reading here

 

[phillycavsfan]

this guy phillycavsfan is a typical stan. I knew he was going divert the conversation away to quality of opponents (to attack bonnar as a fighter) instead of addressing the real crux of the argument. typical stan smokescreen tactic. BTW silva clowned all the guys you mentioned too, and I bet he'll clown weidman as well

silva must've been thinking "lol the fukk are you doing? seriously?"

^couldn't find the gif but here's picture perfect flying knee to maia's grill. even though it was his worst fight (only because of excessive taunting as I was still entertained), silva clowned THE fukk OUT of maia. maia, a REAL world class BJJ master who is currently RUNNING THROUGH welterweight, not a fukking nick diaz who you're trying to prop up as a worldbeater and I like nick

You know you're just proving my point here. Sonnen went for a spinning back fist and missed wide right. Silva made him pay beautifully. The same thing happened when he beat Sonnen the first time. Sonnen lost focus late in that fight on the ground, and Silva caught him with a triangle. That's what great fighters do.

Silva had been practicing that Belfort kick for some time before he fought Vitor. He saw an opening, and he pounced. That's what great fighter do.

Silva didn't do much at all in the Maia fight. He just did more than Maia, who couldn't hit Silva at all. He mocked Maia thinking people would be entertained, but they weren't. In fact they booed him, which was odd because it was Abu Dhabi and the crowd was unusually patient. BTW Maia's a much different fighter now than he was back then. He was working hard to improve his striking back then with mixed results. Now he's relying a lot more on his world class BJJ.

I want to get something clear. I'm not a Silva hater. I like Silva a lot. He's not my favorite fighter, but he's in my top 5.

 

[KevCo]

lol chael with the spinning back fail.....

 

[phillycavsfan]

because the ufc were scraping the bottom of the barrel to offer gsp sacrificial lamb.Not because he earned it through merit.So i dont know why u mentioned that.

Bottom of the barrel like Thiago Alves, BJ Penn, and Jon Fitch? Because that's who he fought before Hardy.

I was wrong about Johnson BTW. I'll admit that. I went back and counted, and there's more than 15 heavyweights better than Johnson.

 

[bogey_j]

You know you're just proving my point here. Sonnen went for a spinning elbow and missed wide right. Silva made him pay beautifully. The same thing happened when he beat Sonnen the first time. Sonnen lost focus late in that fight on the ground, and Silva caught him with a triangle. That's what great fighters do.

Silva had been practicing that Belfort kick for some time before he fought Vitor. He saw an opening, and he pounced. That's what great fighter do.

Silva didn't do much at all in the Maia fight. He just did more than Maia, who couldn't hit Silva at all. He mocked Maia thinking people would be entertained, but they weren't. In fact they booed him, which was odd because it was Abu Dhabi and the crowd was unusually patient. BTW Maia's a much different fighter now than he was back then. He was working hard to improve his striking back then with mixed results. Now he's relying a lot more on his world class BJJ.

I want to get something clear. I'm not a Silva hater. I like Silva a lot. He's not my favorite fighter, but he's in my top 5.

and what point was that exactly? you said 'You think Silva's pulling off shyt like that against Chael Sonnen, Demian Maia, or Chris Weidman? Please'

and in those fights he dropped his hands like always, does what silva does, takes a lot of risks, and clowned the fukk out of his opponents in the process. silva even dropped his hands against belfort who could've easily KNOCKED HIM THE fukk OUT if he had landed cleanly. nobody puts himself in more danger than anderson does..not saying its the smartest strategy but its a special quality he has that no one else in MMA history possesses, that abilty to beat the odds and persevere again and again in the most risky of situations

 

[Northern Son]

What I don't get is how GSP doesn't turn up the volume in rounds 3 and 4 when the opponent is clearly demoralized, exhausted and beat down. There's no excuse for him not TKO'ing Koscheck. NONE.

Jon Jones goes out of his way to get the finish if he gets past the second round (Shogun, Rampage, Belfort) against far more dangerous competition and guys who never get finished. First TKO of Shogun, first submission of Machida, second submissions ever for Belfort and Rampage . Notice he had to turn it up a notch and put in EFFORT to get those wins.

 

[phillycavsfan]

and what point was that exactly? you said 'You think Silva's pulling off shyt like that against Chael Sonnen, Demian Maia, or Chris Weidman? Please'

and in those fights he dropped his hands like always, does what silva does, takes a lot of risks, and clowned the fukk out of his opponents in the process. silva even dropped his hands against belfort who could've seriously KNOCKED HIM THE fukk OUT if he had landed cleanly.

Silva's a counterstriker. He lets his hands down so that his opponents let their guard down. He trusts his reflexes to be better than his opponents, and he's usually right.

Silva was letting Bonnar hit him. Literally offering his chin to Stephan asking him to hit him. Part of that is because Silva's that damn good. But part of that is also because Bonnar is such a scrub. He's not doing that with Henderson, Weidman, or Belfort.

 

[Roman Brady]

Bottom of the barrel like Thiago Alves, BJ Penn, and Jon Fitch? Because that's who he fought before Hardy.

I was wrong about Johnson BTW. I'll admit that. I went back and counted, and there's more than 15 heavyweights better than Johnson.

before this debate veers into idiocy name one significant win swick had that justified his (1 fight from the title) spot at that time

 

[bogey_j]

Silva's a counterstriker. He lets his hands down so that his opponents let their guard down. He trusts his reflexes to be better than his opponents, and he's usually right.

Silva was letting Bonnar hit him. Literally offering his chin to Stephan asking him to hit him. Part of that is because Silva's that damn good. But part of that is also because Bonnar is such a scrub. He's not doing that with Henderson, Weidman, or Belfort.

didn't I just fukking say silva dropped his hands multiple times against belfort?

when they were on the ground briefly he also dodged a MONSTER right that would have knocked out most men by the skin of his teeth

in the henderson fight he also took one of hendo's trademark H-bombs (overhand right) on the chin and ate it like it was nothing

basically anderson being anderson in all those fights...do you really watch fights or do you just skim through it?

 

[phillycavsfan]

didn't I just fukking say silva dropped his hands multiple times against belfort?

when they were on the ground briefly he also dodged a MONSTER right that would have knocked out most men by the skin of his teeth

in the henderson fight he also took one of hendo's trademark H-bombs (overhand right) on the chin and ate it like it was nothing

basically anderson being anderson in all those fights...do you really watch fights or do you just skim through it?

[ame=http://vimeo.com/22345665]Anderson Silva vs Vitor Belfort Full Fight knockout on Vimeo[/ame]

Where in this fight is Silva intentionally putting himself against the cage and letting Belfort tag him? Because that's what he did with Bonnar.

Here's the summary of the Hendo-Silva fight from Bloody ELbow. Find the H-Bomb.

Round 1 - Dan tries to touch gloves, Anderson passes. Low kick from Dan. No action for the first minute until Dan punches. Silva with an uppercut and a high kick. Front kick lands glancing off Dan's face. Henderson with the first takedown of the fight. Anderson's length is making it hard for Henderson to be able to really open up, but Dan is able to land some hammerfists to the side of Silva's head. Henderson just misses a huge elbow. Henderson is in side control but Silva spins and regains full guard. The round ends and it was a really good one for Dan. 10-9 Henderson.

Round 2 - Right hand lands for Silva. Anderson is starting to look a little looser now. Silva ends up on top of Henderson now. Dan stands up and has a body lock against the fence. They spit and Silva lands a knee from the clinch and a flurry of punches. Henderson is on his back and Silva hits a big elbow. Dan is trying to regroup with Silva in his half guard. Silva takes Dan's back and gets the hooks in. Silva lands some big shots and locks in a body triangle. Choke is in with fifteen seconds left and Henderson taps out. ANDERSON SILVA! Anderson Silva wins by Submission - Rear Naked Choke. Anderson Silva retains the UFC Middleweight Championship. There's nobody left but Yushin Okami at this point.

 

[phillycavsfan]

before this debate veers into idiocy name one significant win swick had that justified his (1 fight from the title) spot at that time

He was coming off a 4 fight win streak and a win over Ben Saunders, who at that time was undefeated. The fight against Hardy was announced as a title eliminator at the time.