To be honest, I'd be OK with a single mother...

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My question isn't about someone else taking your woman.

I'm asking why would an aware man waste his time, energy, money, and biological imperative on children that he did not sire in addition to a used up woman?
Only an idiot would let a child stop him from being with a good woman.
 

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Let that breh @Roberto Dinero cook. Yall act like every single mother out here is a ratchet hoe that got ran through and that couldn't be any further from the case. shyt like this you take on a case by case basis. Let's not act like alot of yall aren't products of single mother households :mjpls:

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Yup. This is a guy who gets it.
 

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I thought I would set down a "rough guide" for men thinking about starting a relationship with a single mom and what some of the ramifications are of dating and entering into a deeper relationship with a single mom could be. Of course this guide does not apply to all women or all men but it will list the main problems I have observed through over the years.

Contrary to popular media-myth I have yet to meet a single mom who was career driven, carefree, balanced, happy; doing it all type gal as often portrayed in most media outlets. The reality I have seen over the years is usually a stressed out, overworked, debt stricken woman who really had no idea children cost so much in time, effort and money. Their careers are on hold as they need to balance their child with sickness, school activities etc versus moving up whatever career ladder they are on. Most single moms are raising their children with help of an extended family member (usually their mom), a bevy of friends and other single moms they find in support groups. It is usually not a pretty picture at all.

Somewhere along the way, usually quite quickly they come up with the idea that they need a "partner" to help them in their new enterprise of having a child and the sooner they can get one the better. Realizing they have a bit of a disadvantage with having a child and being in the dating scene they resort to several well known strategies to get a partner.

One of the first strategies is to engage men who do not have children of their own. This allows the woman to portray the semblance of having and raising a kid is easy and there will always be a balance between their relationship with their partner and their child. Sometimes they will portray themselves as helpless victims, victimized by an evil and absent father they need saving and you can save them. Another popular scheme is to make themselves look accomplished and together by extending their debt to ridiculous levels to portray they are all right and don´t really need a partner. There are quite a few more, but like I said, this is a rough guide.

One of the strategies is to involve the child with the prospective "partner" almost right away and foster a relationship between the man and her child. This allows a lot of leverage on several levels as time goes by. It allows for huge amount of guilt and shame if the man wants to break off the relationship, allows a bonding to take place that is hard to shuck off and other factors... You will hear phrases such as any man who loves me must love my children! etc.. All designed to appeal to a mans sense of chivalry and protection. This hopefully facilitates a sense of belonging together and in the end marriage.

Most single men are unaware of what is going on when they start to date a single mom. It seems that the child is around, but it is pleasant, there is a clear distinction between adult and child time etc, it seems actually for most men, not a bad time at all. This allows the single mom to get the man closer and farther into the relationship. What is really going on is a shyt-load of help from the single moms friends and other helpers. Tons of babysitting services, tips on dating, comparing notes and plans etc. No matter what you see as a man there is something else going on do not forget that. Her plan is to eventually get a partner one way or another. You are the prize and she is going to earn it.

One trait that seems to come to the forefront with most men who are dating single moms is just how wonderful a woman they really are. Most men cannot for the life of them figure out why another man would abandon a woman like her. It has been stated that single moms are more caring, compassionate, great lovers, excellent cooks, laugh at all your jokes etc they seem to be ideal mates.

What is actually going on is well planned and orchestrated strategies to get a man into a relationship. I don´t know how many men have loudly complained that after marriage they were suddenly now doing most of the cooking, cleaning, and repairing around the house with zero time like they had before. I don´t know how many have said it was like night and day after they moved in. The kind compassionate woman the men met had some how now been replaced by a truly different woman, it was like another personality type than the one they married. In short a single mom knows she has to work harder to get a man and she will work harder, but for many the act cannot last that long and the real woman reveals herself. Usually this occurs just after marriage.

A lot of men though go for it and involve themselves in marriage with a single mom and do not really know some of the problems they will encounter. Here is a short list of several common problems that begin to creep up:


Being a "partner" means you get to pay for half- if not more. I have noticed after marriage a single mom works at dizzying speed to make sure her mans name is on all of the bills. She also will usually demand money also for a huge amount of her child´s expenses. It is also expressed as a part of "loving her and showing it". I have seen men putting money away for college for a kid that´s not his. Buying ridiculous amounts of brand name clothes, expensive homes etc all in an effort to be in a so-called "family".

The Family you just got into is by invitation only. In most traditional marriages that produce children, the man, woman and child or children make up he basic family unit. In being a step- parent you are not the basic unit. The mother and child together are the basic unit. You are invited in and can be un-invited whenever mom feels it to be so. No matter what is said or mentioned before marriage, you will never come before her child. You will always be in a family and relationship where you come second, maybe third.

No matter what you think her ex is going to be there forever. In just about every case the child´s father does not seem to be in the picture during the dating and courtship stage but seems to suddenly show up after. The reality is he was always there, your partner just never mentioned it. The father will most naturally want to have a relationship with his child and he is going to be quite involved most of the time. Just about every time you will be dragged into the endless bickering and fights they have and you will not be liked by him "its only natural remember" also be sure to take into account the grandparents, uncles and aunts and all the family functions you will be attending with him, his child, his ex (your partner) and his side of the family. Get used to being uncomfortable.

Her kid will most likely not like you very much. Let´s face it you´re sleeping with their mom and most of the time the child will see you as a roadblock to his parents getting back together. Most likely the mom has made you the giver of discipline in the relationship, being the man and all which results in the kid hating you. Or after watching the child run amok for weeks after you arrive you change juniors´ schedule to include some discipline and then you also hated even more. An amazing amount of men involved with single mothers report how the child hates them, but he can keep buying gifts to try to win their affection. Some call it the ATM effect of diminishing returns.

All that time you had together with your new love will end after marriage. The number one job of a single mom is simply to be a mom. She is not a party girl, hiker, camper, biker, clubber etc. Just be prepared for a frontal assault on your time and money after marriage. You will find your weekdays taken up with homework, PTA meetings, suppers at home, and early bed times. Weekends will be the time for the child´s extra-curricular activities and other activities. If a single man is wondering what happens ask any father of children how their time is spent, it will not be on hobbies. You will hear endlessly the phrase "we are a family now and this is what a family does" of course your idea on family will differ, but it is her family and she will make the choices.

You will wonder what happened to all your money. Most men involved with a single mom report that their money seems to dry up. Children are expensive and expensive like most men have no idea. Between school supplies, clothing, vast amounts of food, babysitters if you ever want to go out, medications, fees, sports, supplies, toys and such; well, there will be little left.

As a footnote there is also another ploy by some single moms that men also forget about. The child´s father is paying for a lot of these things. Quite a few men have reported that their wife or girlfriend was getting them to pay for such things as sport fees, equipment, university funds, school supplies and such but at the same time getting the child´s father to pay for these things also. Double billing, also called fraud, is quite common but it does allow the single mom to have almost zero expenses for her child as two men are now paying for junior. Another ploy that is quite horrific was a man whose wife owned a home and he moved in with her and her child. Although he fixed it up, paid half the mortgage and expenses- she had willed the home to her children. When confronted she said since she would be dead she did not care if he had a home or not, her child came first. So be careful with matters of money. Very careful.

You will never really be accepted. I have observed time and time again the heartbreak of a step parent as the child gets older. After putting them through school, providing a place to live, food, getting the child all kinds of gifts and honestly really caring about the child and such I keep hearing this one story over and over. The time comes for a grad or a wedding, the step parent thinks he might be lauded for his sacrifices but instead is shunted to a back seat or not invited as the child invites mom and dad to the party; and thanks them for all their love and work. Usually there is not even an acknowledgment of effort.

You will now be part of the single moms´ network. Be prepared to help out all her buddies as they helped her out. Endless weekends and nights of babysitting the other single moms kids so that they too may date and get a man. You will also discover why 75% of all people in jail come from single mother households. Try not to have any expensive items around.

Now that the single mom is now married she will need to impress her single mom friends with her new found happiness. Her happiness will usually include a new home in a good neighborhood, new clothing, new items for the home, new car etc; there is an unwritten law it seems among a lot of single moms that they compete ruthlessly with their friends. If she does get married she needs to show them her new found prestige. Be prepared for huge new expenses.

You will have no time for errors. A lot of single men get involved with the single mom and her kids when the child is a bit older. Being inexperienced with children becomes a huge burden as the single man has no time to learn parenting skills; and mistakes are not readily forgiven nor forgotten when a kid is 4 compared to 14.

You may think it ends, but it never does. I know many men whose single mom wife promised them a completely different life after junior turned 18 or so. At the beginning of the relationship it looked like just a few years and then total privacy and freedom. Then years later they found out that junior is going to go to university for 6 years after taking a gap year off and not worry about a job as he will live at home. After that the story usually is that the child gets married and has kids and needs a ton of babysitting services. The dream of trips abroad, moving to a nicer place etc. evaporates for most men. They just wind up being early grandparents. The other option that happens a lot is the girls have children early and stay at home. Not only is the man taking care of his wife´s child he also has to care for her grandchild now!

You will have nothing to show for it. In the end when most men have their own children the work and effort is well worth it. The men did their best and raised a family, continued a line, get grandchildren etc. As a step-parent you have contributed as much but you have nothing. Nobody carries on your name and most men realize they are not even ever thanked for their sacrifice.

The legalities can kill you. There have been numerous cases where a man has divorced or left a single mom and then found himself liable financially for her child. Although not the father he will be responsible for child payments, extra fees and most certainly university far after they are 18 check the laws out, it´s a raw deal. Couple that with some alimony and you get the whole effect of being a divorced and homeless dad with not one child of your own.


In the end women have asked for their freedom to make their own choices now for decades. I would advise all single men to let single moms make their choice of having a child by themselves and then live with it. Don´t involve yourself with these women under any circumstances. It can be in many ways, the death of a man.

Well it´s a rough guide and you were warned.
 

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the only poeple caping for this sick disease are those who are probably in a single mother household right now :umad:, grew up in one and subconsciously think they are bashing their mom or step father if they disagree, women with a bunch of ratchet single mother friends, and fatherless simps (i gotta right the wrong my daddy did for leaving me :mjcry:), I wish a man was "real" and "good" enoguh to step into my mothers life and raise me, so ima do what no "real man" wanted to do, ima "sacrifice" and raise a nikka like my own :mjcry:

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the only poeple caping for this sick disease are those who are probably in a single mother household right now :umad:, grew up in one and subconsciously think they are bashing their mom or step father if they disagree, women with a bunch of ratchet single mother friends, and fatherless simps (i gotta right the wrong my daddy did for leaving me :mjcry:), I wish a man was "real" and "good" enoguh to step into my mothers life and raise me, so ima do what no "real man" wanted to do, ima "sacrifice" and raise a nikka like my own :mjcry:

:umad:

Why you so :umad: about it though? It sounds like u got a personal vendetta of some kind. What I eat don't make you shyt, so why the fukk u so worried about what others do? :lupe:

I'm just curious. Why so :umad: @ what the next man does?
 

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As for me personally.A kid is serious business.Actually a relationship with the child as a step parent is more important then the mother.If that child doesnt think of you as daddy then its a wrap.Basically im sayin i can see if the father isnt alive but if the baby daddy is a broke cat who just doesnt care then it wont work as much.However to each its own. If you gonna be a step dad it has to be an upgrade think about John Kerry or Bakari Sellers a 30 year old former law student turn congressman running for Lieutenant Governor of SC who got with Vince Carter ex. If your a step dad it has to be a great situation no if an'ds or but's. If the child is under 5 its gonna be rough
 

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Why you so :umad: about it though? It sounds like u got a personal vendetta of some kind. What I eat don't make you shyt, so why the fukk u so worried about what others do? :lupe:

I'm just curious. Why so :umad: @ what the next man does?


why? because the only cure to the single mother disease is to let em rot and the next generation see its not all glitz and glam that getting a good men is nill even though its like 1%. That nikka who may rob me one day is prob from a single mother household, that skank who will prob give me a std if i become a manwhore again is prob from a single mother household, im saving myself.

Fatherless children are at a dramatically greater risk of drug and alcohol abuse, mental illness, suicide, poor educational performance, teen pregnancy, and criminality.


lets kill this disease by shunning it, in other countries single mothers are at a low rate becase they know good men won't wife em, they know it brings shame to their family

I want those days again :mjcry:
 

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why? because the only cure to the single mother disease is to let em rot and the next generation see its not all glitz and glam that getting a good men is nill even though its like 1%. That nikka who may rob me one day is prob from a single mother household, that skank who will prob give me a std if i become a manwhore again is prob from a single mother household, im saving myself.

Fatherless children are at a dramatically greater risk of drug and alcohol abuse, mental illness, suicide, poor educational performance, teen pregnancy, and criminality.


lets kill this disease by shunning it, in other countries single mothers are at a low rate becase they know good men won't wife em, they know it brings shame to their family

I want those days again :mjcry:

So u just wanna scrap a whole generation? That's kinda cold hearted. Out of curiosity, did u grow up in a single parent home? Just curious.

And yes, the behaviour that creates single mothers should be shunned but once the kid is here, u should really try to help a little instead of shunning. That's how I feel. I mean, obviously there are a lot of lost causes out there but my man @J-Nice has already put it very well, this is a case by case basis scenario.

Ur whole steez on this thread reminds me of Kurupt's verse on Xxplosive. Like why do you give a fukk so much? Where is all this anger coming from? What the fukk do u care what other men do? If its not for u, its not for u. That's cool. I just don't understand ur personal vendetta. Have u been wronged by a single mother before? :lupe:
 

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for anyone thinking of getting with a single mother. let me tell you from first hand experience. DONT DO IT. and first off, it has nothing to do with the babies father. if you have confidence in yourself and you trust your partner, you have nothing to worry about. Everybody goes in thinking oh ill just be a role model for the kid, help out a bit here and there. but when your the main breadwinner, your doing a lot more than that. the other day my wife says i would think my stepkids calling me dad would be an honor. I SAID HECK NO. im just not comfortable with someone elses kids calling me dad. because if my wife got remarried. i wouldnt want my kids calling another man dad. plus, i feel that when kids call you dad, pop, whatever. now you feel obligated to them. its very stressful financially. i have a 2 year old and a 7 month old. the other day i bought my 2 year old a snack. her brothers(11 and 8) went and ate them. we buy food, its gone in 10 minutes. we had to stop buying snacks and dinner only because the kids would eat every thing in sight. it got so bad fellas. i felt like im working for them to eat all the food. my wife's son talks about how he wants a laptop and an ipad, and iphone. im thinking you need to ask your dad. i told my wife earlier about that. that i wish they would call their dad sometimes to ask for things they want.

Damn, breh. You sound like an ATM. The nikka(s) that skeeted and retreated should be shelling out money, not you. You didn't create those children.
 

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the only poeple caping for this sick disease are those who are probably in a single mother household right now :umad:, grew up in one and subconsciously think they are bashing their mom or step father if they disagree, women with a bunch of ratchet single mother friends, and fatherless simps (i gotta right the wrong my daddy did for leaving me :mjcry:), I wish a man was "real" and "good" enoguh to step into my mothers life and raise me, so ima do what no "real man" wanted to do, ima "sacrifice" and raise a nikka like my own :mjcry:

:umad:
My parents have been married for over 30 years. My close female friends aren't single mothers. And I'm not a fatherless simp.

You don't have to directly relate to a situation in order to support it. Not everyone thinks like you and there's no need to try and label or put people who have differing opinions down.
 

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Damn, breh. You sound like an ATM. The nikka(s) that skeeted and retreated should be shelling out money, not you. You didn't create those children.

listen i try to help out with what i can. the wife works too. but when kids is constantly eating everything in sight. enough is enough. Until i had my own kids man, it didn't really hit you. but now things are different. now instead of a 2 bedroom house, you gotta get a 3 or a 4 bedroom. now instead of feeding one mouth to feed, you feeding 2-3 mouths. christmas comes up, you wanna spoil your seed but you cant because you dont want the stepkids to be left out.
 
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