To what extent was Jay Z considered a lyrically impressive rapper

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In the race to a billion, got my face to the ceiling
Got my knees on the floor, please Lord forgive him
Has he lost his religion, is the greed gon' get him?
He's having heaven on earth, will his wings still fit him?

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You know . . before the "I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars" was put into play

I greatly enjoy Reasonable Doubt but I never considered anything in it to be lyrically impressive. So I'm wondering what examples come to mind when you think of impressive lyrics from Jay and was he more noted for his lyrical ability or the content of work
How can you not find RD lyrically impressive? :what: What is lyrically impressive to you?
 

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You know . . before the "I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars" was put into play

I greatly enjoy Reasonable Doubt but I never considered anything in it to be lyrically impressive. So I'm wondering what examples come to mind when you think of impressive lyrics from Jay and was he more noted for his lyrical ability or the content of work
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Jay has always been big on entendres and word play. Not that he doesn't have multis and all that as well but if you're not into entendres and stuff like that then you might not think he's got that much in the way of lyricism. He doesn't really have much in the way of storytelling IMO at least against the greats like Nas and Ice Cube.

And you can't forget the flow, not DIRECTLY attached to lyricism but Jay has always had great flows and the ability to switch it up which is something I like as opposed to someone who has the same flow all the time.
 

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When the sonic landscape changed overall to be completely reflective of jiggy and puff pop based rnb meets mca sentiments completely.
He was the artist who figured out that sonic landscape after the glass ceiling of big and Pac was shattered from their demise.
At that time his technical base was inline with ramping up from being around everyone from big l to geechie suede to jaz to sauce money.
Then when he was on defjam he ramped again in deliveyr and started to lean on ll's smooth delivery and content/concepts as well.
In that era he was also the easiest rapper to learn how to rap from and that is why his highest drawing era.
He had so many artist who leaned on his skill set as well.
That other artist makeup who helped him get there was lost in the conversion to the sonic landscape as jayz was literally the only guy outside of jaz/sauce.
who was onkey originally in that sonic landscape change from boombap to pop/jiggy/mca template based production.
In that time before we knew he had help or later would use Lupe.
He had other worldly wordplay and verses.


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The bside to ja rule holla holla
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A million and one/both versions
Lucky me
I know what girls like : The technical audio blueprint to how to rap jiggy verse

I could go on and on with rhymes and verses from him till he fell off trying to bite snoop on roc la.
Then later needing lupe's help.
Where I think the overly dope roc la stuff is aided by Lupe in 1st and fifteenth.



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Jay has always been big on entendres and word play. Not that he doesn't have multis and all that as well but if you're not into entendres and stuff like that then you might not think he's got that much in the way of lyricism. He doesn't really have much in the way of storytelling IMO at least against the greats like Nas and Ice Cube.

And you can't forget the flow, not DIRECTLY attached to lyricism but Jay has always had great flows and the ability to switch it up which is something I like as opposed to someone who has the same flow all the time.


Actually jayz has great mic presence.
He is typically offkey after any material made after volume iii and the intros to roc la and bit pieces here and there.
He really does not have a great flow.
He mechanically does other flows but they are never the best submission of it.
Nor is it the best flow of that era or submission in that era.
when you could say he had the best flow.
It was completely a ripoff of ll's vocal tonality exclusively.
shyt, he took ll's most potent content and concepts and bit them as well.

Jay pretty much got by in excellent pr, the glass ceiling of rap being shattered by pac/big and labels needing to create a new glass ceiling in their death.
after jay's failed launches at being jiggy.
I would liken jayz flow and vocal tonality in the same vein incomparison as to similar to how weak common sense is vocally.
Yet common sense used to have a much higher cultural responsibility all the way around with no flodge'n.
Plus, was an artist who excelled in the technical revolution conversion and sonic landscape change ushered in bh nas in resurrection.
Without leaning on nas'a skill set like the almost entirety of the sellout rap game needed to do or did.
Yet, common's cultural responsibility would not enable or allow common to go into the direction of commercial sellout based rap.

That when common tried to with the afrikka bambaata style Neptune sellout records.
His cultural stance previously put him in the conundrum.
Of not being able to do what jayz did from jump from selling out with jaz as fresh prince ripoff's.
To jayz being visually cool c's hilltop hustler walk mixed with father mc based direction with ratcheted up street content influenced by everyone from Biggs chiding and geechi suede on rd.
To keep him away from the type of artist father mc wack culture thief ass was pigeon holed as.

It was just a matter of timing and great pr that saved jayz as a draw and also gave him a pass for being weak vocally as well.
As jayz has no real power needed to normally or a-typically be able to sell a lot of records in general in the rap world.
Which is why jay is given high distinction but it is more perception, smoke and mirrors, culture thievery and examing the pass system made from thug life Stan and using it against them to create his own delussional envious of thug life based Stan base. That over inflates
Everything in a post pac and big shatter glass ceiling era.


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Actually jayz has great mic presence.
He is typically offkey after any material made after volume iii and the intros to roc la and bit pieces here and there.
He really does not have a great flow.
He mechanically does other flows but they are never the best submission of it.
Nor is it the best flow of that era or submission in that era.
when you could say he had the best flow.
It was completely a ripoff of ll's vocal tonality exclusively.
shyt, he took ll's most potent content and concepts and bit them as well.
Jay pretty much got by in excellent pr, the glass ceiling of rap being shattereed by pac/big and labels needing to create a new glass ceiling in their death after jay's failed launches at being jiggy.
I would liken jayz flow and vocal tonality in the same vein incomparison as to similar to what common sense is vocally.
Yet common sense used to have amucb higher cultural responsibility all the way around with no flodge'n.
That would not enable or allow common to go into the direction of commercial sellout based rap.

That when common tried to with the afrikka bambaata style Neptune sellout records.
His cultural stance previously out him in to not be able to do what jayz did from jump from selling out with jaz as fresh prince ripoff's.
To jayz being visually cool c's hilltop hustler walk mixed with father mc based direction with ratcheted up street content.
To keep him away from the type of artist father mc wack culture thief ass was pigeon holed as.



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Can you share an example of him being on key vs. off key
 

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Can you share an example of him being on key vs. off key


Him being greatly onkey at his apex is:

You're only a customer




Him being offkey would be mostly any verse he dropped, in the styles era.
where it had a sonic landscape out of his sweet spot.
or made out of an era in production he gave a fukk about being really great on.

The ha remix he was offkey on.



Which is why it is so wack but he has replicated this bad an outing quite a few times.
Especially, since relaunching as a complete pop production based artist on bpiii, as well.
Check a number of his watch the throne verses where he is trying to spit on a trap based record or production as well.



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