JameisNewton
Pro
I have never moved the goal posts and have always said that SB MVPs matter more or else we'd be worshipping Trent Dilfer for winning a ring. Seems like the water problem in Flint exists in Indianapolis as well.
Today Proved That The Rings = GOAT in the NFL Argument Is Moronic
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I live in Houston, have never lived in Indianapolis
And lol at an award that's partially decided by fan voting being the ultimate measuring stick
JameisNewton
Pro
It's not a measuring stick. It's used as a tiebreaker between two players of comparable statistics (although Brady, and soon Rodgers, are both better regular season QBs than Peyton as well) . You're looking at it the wrong way. Also, Peyton has played downright awful in every Super Bowl he was a part of. Ben might have 0 SB MVPs but to his credit he played well in both 2008 and 2010 so I would have no problems with someone making the case for Ben over Peyton.I live in Houston, have never lived in Indianapolis
And lol at an award that's partially decided by fan voting being the ultimate measuring stick
Lol at you saying you'd be OK with big ben over Peyton. Big ben is not even in Mannings galaxy when it comes to individual performance. Why take anything you say seriously?
And lol at Brady being superior in regular season. What are you going to do cite some metric that doesn't matter.
And i agree with Rodgers but his late start and tendency to get injured /miss time may stop him from having Peyton's longevity.
Big Ben over the GOAT? Did I read that right?
You could argue guys having better peaks (like Rodgers) or careers (Montana) than Peyton and while I disagree with all of them I understand the argument, but Big fukking Ben?
You could argue guys having better peaks (like Rodgers) or careers (Montana) than Peyton and while I disagree with all of them I understand the argument, but Big fukking Ben?
If you remove rings and go off pure talent and numbers, Dan Marino is the the GOAT. What he was able to do with so little and the numbers he put up in that era were comparable to today's MVPs where the game is now designed for receiving offense...is just ridiculous.
I would say they are basically even but you are right on in regards to the stuff outside of Peytons control that folks either ignored or attributed to him over the years.
BLAZO da GAWD
Superstar
Only on the Coli can a QB have pedestrian career postseason numbers, more INTs than TDs in both of his SB wins, just put up the worst performance in SB history and still be considered the GOAT by some 
You can't be GOAT and be pedestrian in the postseason. That shyt simply does not compute.
You can't be GOAT and be pedestrian in the postseason. That shyt simply does not compute.
holidayinn21
:SmugMoneyMike:
He was carried for both of his SB wins.
Rayzah
I'm Everywhere you ain't never there
he was carried all season and through the playoffs, but that doesnt negate all the work he put in, those first two SB tom brady was carried but we never talk about thatOnly on the Coli can a QB have pedestrian career postseason numbers, more INTs than TDs in both of his SB wins, just put up the worst performance in SB history and still be considered the GOAT by some
You can't be GOAT and be pedestrian in the postseason. That shyt simply does not compute.
Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
What you don't understand is that its a team game. If Peyton Manning had Brady's system and coaching staff for 10yrs, he'd be undisputed GOAT.Only on the Coli can a QB have pedestrian career postseason numbers, more INTs than TDs in both of his SB wins, just put up the worst performance in SB history and still be considered the GOAT by some
You can't be GOAT and be pedestrian in the postseason. That shyt simply does not compute.
This year yeah, 06 he was the Colts best player all year.
Stack Money
All Star
This shyt today proved the point that winning a Superbowl is about more way than anything that one player can do or can not do... Winning a Superbowl is about a team playing together. 30+ key guys.
2 years ago when at 37 years old Peyton Threw for 5,500 yards and 55 TD's and set the Single Season record for both categories... But lost the Superbowl, it all meant nothing and he was a loser right?
This season was his worst ever, yet in the end he's got another Ring and Lombardi Trophy and gets to go out as a World Champion.
Is there anyone in the world who thinks Peyton Manning was a better player this year than he was 2 years ago?
Of course not.
Yet two years ago he was a "loser". This year he's a Champion.
The perfect example of why measuring who is the GOAT QB or not simply based on Rings is retarded. RETARDED. Period.
Peyton Manning(along with Dan Marino) was the Greatest player to ever play the Quarterback position in my opinion. And what happened today had absolutely zero affect on that whatsoever.
Sure, he can now claim a few more things that nobody else who has ever played this game can(only QB to ever Win a Super bowl with 2 teams, oldest QB to ever Win a Superbowl) to go along with the countless others he already had.
But is Peyton Manning a geater player today than he was yesterday? No.
Stop letting the ring bullshyt dominate the conversation.
In Football, no one man can win a game.
In the end, he rides off with every Passing Record in the Book, 5 NFL MVP's, and you can now add 2 Rings to that if you like.
Hate on that man. But he's the GOAT. The thing is, he was long before today.
Stop with the Rings = GOAT shyt when it comes to the NFL.
Today Proved irrefutably how dumb that shyt is. Stop it.
Ironic that in the end it was Peyton Manning himself Winning his Second Ring that proved it so clearly.
Bolded makes you lose all credibility you made this whiny thread goin on that long ass rant and threw a hissy fit cause you know your favorites Manning and Marino will never be the goats, I knew when I saw the thread title you were just sayin that to fit your narrative cause the only people who cry about the rings argument are fans of QBs that don't have rings or don't have as many as the other QBs.Whats bullshyt moronic and retarded is butthurt idiots like you claimin that rings don't matter when decidin who the goat is even tho rings are the ultimate goal, you play to win the game you don't play to just play so if you a true goat you got to get it done in the postseason period.
Manning consistently had 12-4 13-3 and 14-2 records you don't get those wit weak teams so miss me wit that LeBron argument of "he didn't have good teammates", and the fact he got all those regular season MVPs actually hurts his goat status even more cause he's "the greatest regular season QB" so there's no excuse for him havin the mediocre postseason numbers that he does if he was really a goat he'd continue his greatness into the playoffs instead of chokin.
He hasn't had the worst luck he just plays like shyt muhfukka threw a pick 6 to end his last Superbowl appearance he IS a loser, you Manning dikkriders ignore his terrible play and shift blame onto his teammates even tho he was playin wit pro bowl future HOFers like Dallas Clark and Edgerrin James and his WRs were Marvin Harrison who's goin into the HOF and Reggie Wayne.He had solid defenses half the time and had a great defense the first year he won they were the ones that carried him to that Superbowl along wit his kicker who made every point in that game against the Ravens cause Manning as usual was trash and didn't score a single TD yet threw 2 INTs in that game:michaeljordanlaugh:he only had 3 TDs that postseason but ended up throwin 7 INTs includin one in the Superbowl his RBs actually had a better SB performance than he did.
Manning was never better than Brady cause Brady came in and won immediately he wasn't throwin INTs left and right he only had 1 in his first postseason and 2 the year he won his second ring while havin 5 TDs that second postseason 3 of which were in the Superbowl game, in his very first playoff game they barely ran the ball yet he was able to throw 26/39 for 238 yards in the second half alone you Manning dikkriders/Brady haters talk that system bullshyt when he was the system from day one which is why he was the MVP of those first 2 Superbowls.This is how they sneak Montana in the conversation. But I don't want to open that box.
Montana is already in the conversation he's widely recognized as the goat he got 4 rings was 4/4 in the Superbowl wit 3 MVPs and a perfect 11 TDs to 0 INTs those are Jordan numbers, no this is how yall sneak Marino and Manning into the conversation yall gotta discredit rings cause those cats don't measure up to Montana and Brady who shyt all over them in the clutch.The ring argument been a joke. Now dead arm Peyton getting a ring is the ultimate revenge. They'll try to downplay him, even in a win. But but his stats weren't good. Nah kiss my ass, first it was Peyton just got stats and couldn't win. Now it's going to be he won but without the stats.Dudes just need to admit they don't like the man.
Him winnin a ring ridin the coatails of that defense ain't the ultimate revenge that just proves what people been sayin all along that he average in the postseason and can only win if his team bails him out, his stats are never good this time of year and people said he just got stats in the regular season no one ever criticized him for gettin them in the postseason cause he never does and that still holds true.
Yall the ones movin the goalposts from SB rings to regular season MVPs as if regular season accomplishments are better than Superbowl wins, nobody just judges goats for what they do in the regular season the most important is always how they perform when the lights are brightest and Peyton is notorious for not bein clutch but the same can't be said about the true goat contender.:bradyyoumad:
Womb Raider
5* Gooneral
Nope, wrong.
Peyton played average in his first two SBs, played bad yesterday. It doesn't take away the fact that dude has every major passing record and most MVPs in NFL history.
Also, way to make yourself look stupid. You just said that SB MVPs matter more than rings, but somehow Ben is still better than Peyton although Peyton has one and Ben has none? Foh