Tom Brady says to be the GOAT you have to be a deadbeat Father !!!!

[King_Kamala61]

I keep telling y'all...all men who have shyt to conquer can't be good fathers. Some can...but when you on the grind for ya dreams and goals, some shyt ain't important. That's why having a good wife is a major plus.

I cannot have children now as I am too selfish with my art and art career. It's not fair to bring a child into this until I get settled.

 

[Gloxina]

This came out of nowhere

 

[cheapshot]

I like Brady but fukk his acting and crocodile tears.

He has 1 b*stard son before he got with Giselle and then left his family to pursue another year or 2 of football.

He had his choice to retire years before he did and go home and be a family man, and he decided to choose to basically have twice the career of all the great QBs who came before him. He of all people knew how much family gets sacrificed in order to excel at being a professional athlete. And I don't care about whatever marital issues he had with Bundchen, HE STILL MADE HIS DECISION TO FOCUS ON BALL MORE THAN HIS KIDS AS A GROWN ASS MAN.

Whatever regret is in his voice comes straight from a lack of thinking past his nose. After 30 years old, unless you were forced to make a decision, you live with them as a man and have zero regrets. Your 20s is supposed to make you a better man or woman by your 30s so you can make the best decisions possible for your life moving forward.

This is the problem with putting people on pedestals. They let the adulation and reverence get to their head and think they can BS the general public because they know the idiots that worship them will give them a pass at worst, or find their stupidity as profound at best.

One last thing, if not being a great dad to his kids hurts him so much, then he should never take another pic with all of his SB pics while cheesin from ear to ear, since the price he paid for those rings was his role as a dad. You can't have it both ways with certain things in life.

I don't know all that much about Brady but a lot of players mention just how competitive he is/was. You can't just turn that off and it has to be tough to know when to actually hang up the cleats.

Being in professional sports means that you are going to miss a lot of things that people with 9-5s wouldn't. There are also tons of opportunities that his entire family will benefit from for generations. He probably never has access to meet Giselle if he doesn't have the competitive attitude needed to overcome his early struggles.

 

[Rekkapryde]

This came out of nowhere

yall ain't shyt.

 

[Rekkapryde]

I like Brady but fukk his acting and crocodile tears.

He has 1 b*stard son before he got with Giselle and then left his family to pursue another year or 2 of football.

He had his choice to retire years before he did and go home and be a family man, and he decided to basically have twice the career of all the great QBs who came before him. He of all people knew how much family gets sacrificed in order to excel at being a professional athlete. And I don't care about whatever marital issues he had with Bundchen, HE STILL MADE HIS DECISION TO FOCUS ON BALL MORE THAN HIS KIDS AS A GROWN ASS MAN.

Whatever regret is in his voice comes straight from a lack of thinking past his nose. After 30 years old, unless you were forced to make a decision, you live with them as a man and have zero regrets. Your 20s is supposed to make you a better man or woman by your 30s so you can make the best decisions possible for your life moving forward.

This is the problem with putting people on pedestals. They let the adulation and reverence get to their head and think they can BS the general public because they know the idiots that worship them will give them a pass at worst, or find their stupidity as profound at best.

One last thing, if not being a great dad to his kids hurts him so much, then he should never take another pic with all of his SB rings while cheesin from ear to ear, since the price he paid for those rings was his role as a dad. You can't have it both ways with certain things in life.

 

[RhodyRum]

I don't know all that much about Brady but a lot of players mention just how competitive he is/was. You can't just turn that off and it has to be tough to know when to actually hang up the cleats.

Being in professional sports means that you are going to miss a lot of things that people with 9-5s wouldn't. There are also tons of opportunities that his entire family will benefit from for generations. He probably never has access to meet Giselle if he doesn't have the competitive attitude needed to overcome his early struggles.

I'll reply to your post with my 2nd post in this thread, which came a few minutes before yours:

They make enough money now that they don't have to hang on until their late late 30s to early 40s. Shiiiit, pro athletes (at least the very good ones) have been making money like that for at least the last 15 years now.

That's my problem with all the regrets and theatrics. He could have bowed out after beating Seattle in February 2015 with generational wealth, his GOAT legacy intact, myriad records, and first ballot shoo-in at that point. Anything after that isn't a sacrifice, it's just pleasing ones ego at the expense of his family and home life.

You can't be a tyrant on one hand then turn around and go "Woe is me for the results of my tyrannical ways" with the other.

I can also add that eventually it became his ego that led to whatever neglect of his fatherly duties that occurred, rather than any notion of sacrifice for his family's greater good or to feed his competitive spirit. He's not a child, I'm sure he was aware by that point that every minute spent at the facility was one less minute with his kids, yet he still kept choosing those hours as a QB over those hours as a father.

If he wasn't aware of that, and of his conscious decisions, then he just might be a completely aloof idiot with a good helping of the 'tism off the field.

 

[Ziggiy]

I like Brady but fukk his acting and crocodile tears.

He has 1 b*stard son before he got with Giselle and then left his family to pursue another year or 2 of football.

He had his choice to retire years before he did and go home and be a family man, and he decided to basically have twice the career of all the great QBs who came before him. He of all people knew how much family gets sacrificed in order to excel at being a professional athlete. And I don't care about whatever marital issues he had with Bundchen, HE STILL MADE HIS DECISION TO FOCUS ON BALL MORE THAN HIS KIDS AS A GROWN ASS MAN.

Whatever regret is in his voice comes straight from a lack of thinking past his nose. After 30 years old, unless you were forced to make a decision, you live with them as a man and have zero regrets. Your 20s is supposed to make you a better man or woman by your 30s so you can make the best decisions possible for your life moving forward.

This is the problem with putting people on pedestals. They let the adulation and reverence get to their head and think they can BS the general public because they know the idiots that worship them will give them a pass at worst, or find their stupidity as profound at best.

One last thing, if not being a great dad to his kids hurts him so much, then he should never take another pic with all of his SB rings while cheesin from ear to ear, since the price he paid for those rings was his role as a dad. You can't have it both ways with certain things in life.

To regret certain things is just human. He’s not making any excuses he’s simply owning up to a flaw that he knows about himself. It doesn’t change what he did or how he ultimately treated his family, and he’ll have to live with whatever consequences come of that. But that doesn’t mean he can’t feel regret or be emotional about it. As long as he doesn’t make any excuses he has the right to feel how he feels.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

For him to admit that you know he must have been a a$$hole to them and probably even resented them lol

No. He just wasn’t present enough and put football first…. All pro athletes/coaches/etc can’t be great fathers because they’re simply not at home….

 

[Doobie Doo]

Take away the OD thread title and memes and he's not wrong. Plenty of ultra successful people don't have kids or spouses, some do and that's fine, the shyt isn't one size fits all.

There's a absurd level of selfishness required if you're going to be the GOAT of anything and those with kids have no choice but to sacrifice time with family if they want to see it. Any top athlete, especially a Bron, by default has to put work above kids at times. That's what he's calling torment.

It's just the way it is or you can be less than on the field to be a little bit happier off it, some have chosen that too. Nothing wrong with either one and Brady's choice. bytches & AB's come and go, Brady's going to the grave with 7 of them bytches

SHyt you a father for life. Might as well dedicated yourself to the field cuz you only gonna be a pro athlete at the most forf 15 years, dudes like Brady and Lebron are exceptions

 

[RhodyRum]

To regret certain things is just human. He’s not making any excuses he’s simply owning up to a flaw that he knows about himself. It doesn’t change what he did or how he ultimately treated his family, and he’ll have to live with whatever consequences come of that. But that doesn’t mean he can’t feel regret or be emotional about it. As long as he doesn’t make any excuses he has the right to feel how he feels.

You're not wrong.

I still don't need to see it publically. It cheapens the remorse, almost like he's using these "feelings of regret" as a prop to stay in the public eye.

And again, he was in his late late 30s making this decision to stay in the game. Unless he's woefully stupid off the field, he had to know he's not being the best father possible, especially when he himself said his own dad was everything a father should be. Therefore he had an immediate role model, a "control in the experiment" to compare himself as a dad to.

Unless you're trying to warn younger athletes to not be like you, save the tears for a situation you created for 20+ years for behind closed doors.

 

[drifter]

You're ABSOLUTELY right in this post, however...

They make enough money now that they don't have to hang on until their late late 30s to early 40s. Shiiiit, pro athletes (at least the very good ones) have been making money like that for at least the last 15 years now.

That's my problem with all the regrets and theatrics. He could have bowed out after beating Seattle in February 2015 with generational wealth, his GOAT legacy intact, myriad records, and first ballot shoo-in at that point. Anything after that isn't a sacrifice, it's just pleasing ones ego at the expense of his family and home life.

You can't be a tyrant on one hand then turn around and go "Woe is me for the results of my tyrannical ways" with the other.

No offense (anybody starting shyt off with that is usually on bs lol, I promise tho) all that shows is that your priorities are different. And that's fine, nothing wrong with stopping when you said (guessing you're talking mid 30s?) with all the money, etc. But there's also nothing wrong with taking advantage of very clear advantages people would give everything to sign up for as long as you can. Your time as a top athlete is shallow compared to the rest of your life, if you can win into your 40s then why shouldn't you?

Also, not saying you're not a success in what you do day to day, but you're saying what RhodyRum would do if he were them. What if Rhody was them and had all you just wrote and it's just as common as breathing? Well, there's only 2 things that can happen. Either become complacent and waste potential or keep pushing further and further to where you and Brady's window view might not be the same, but you've got similar scars just from being in the game too. It's hard to say what we'd do, we'd be mostly a different person from different perspective etc. It's just how it goes and it's not all money.

I'll never knock somebody for doing what they think is best with what got them where they are, as long as it's for the right reasons. shyt like Adrian Peterson and athletes going broke having to lace em up when it's clear past time to hang it up, that's pathetic and looks a certain way. Brady went out still competitive although the arm was looking wonky the last season, but he just won with it the one before. Went into a field people said he has no business in and came out the GOAT. No financial issues, no public scandals he'd tried to use football to run away from (unless you consider divorce one....lol). fukk it, do what you want, as long as it's for the right reason.

 

[RhodyRum]

No offense (anybody starting shyt off with that is usually on bs lol, I promise tho) all that shows is that your priorities are different. And that's fine, nothing wrong with stopping when you said (guessing you're talking mid 30s?) with all the money, etc. But there's also nothing wrong with taking advantage of very clear advantages people would give everything to sign up for as long as you can. Your time as a top athlete is shallow compared to the rest of your life, if you can win into your 40s then why shouldn't you?

Also, not saying you're not a success in what you do day to day, but you're saying what RhodyRum would do if he were them. What if Rhody was them and had all you just wrote and it's just as common as breathing? Well, there's only 2 things that can happen. Either become complacent and waste potential or keep pushing further and further to where you and Brady's window view might not be the same, but you've got similar scars just from being in the game too. It's hard to say what we'd do, we'd be mostly a different person from different perspective etc. It's just how it goes and it's not all money.

I'll never knock somebody for doing what they think is best with what got them where they are, as long as it's for the right reasons. shyt like Adrian Peterson and athletes going broke having to lace em up when it's clear past time to hang it up, that's pathetic and looks a certain way. Brady went out still competitive although the arm was looking wonky the last season, but he just won with it the one before. Went into a field people said he has no business in and came out the GOAT. No financial issues, no public scandals he'd tried to use football to run away from (unless you consider divorce one....lol). fukk it, do what you want, as long as it's for the right reason.

Ayyy, I can't get bogged down in this convo all day and this is my last post in this thread, but first off I just wanna say Thank You for a respectful back and forth. And neither of us are wrong, so it's good to spar with someone who's kept that perspective and not let it turn nasty. Dope shıt.

My last comment, and you can reply to it or not, but I actually have to make this my last one, is I have zero problem when someone goes for it all as you outlined in your post in regards to passion, sacrifice, and longevity. I have an athletic background that ended in college so none of this is foreign to me whatsoever.

I'm just uneasy with the playing up of the regrets part (especially publically) knowing the longevity of those decisions this man made.

To wrap all of my thoughts up, I just want to bring it back full circle to my first post: His Super Bowl rings. If he's going to sit there and tearfully expound on his regrets and remorse to his kids, well how sincere is he really when it comes to celebrating those rings, especially the latter ones? Logically speaking, it's those same rings that are leading to him getting moist in regards to not being a great dad. I'm sure MJ sacrificed just as much fatherly time to be the king of his 6-ring dynasty, but you feel more ownership of those decisions from him than you do seeing Brady be a blubbering pu$$y about his. Stoicism has it's virtue as a mature man.

Again, appreciate the discussion. This is actually a great thread overall.

 

[Hov]

A Hall of Famer (NFL) changed my life on this about 10 years ago

He told me he was in the same Hall of Fame as Jerry Rice and Michael Jordan (as in being the top of the top best of best, as he was def on the NFL greatest ever list to come a few years after our convo)

And he told me look how your friends with my son and he’s here with us, and how I have all my grandbabies and my daughters love me and my wife is by my side all the time

He said don’t ever let anyone tell you that you have to sacrifice your family to be great. You can work hard, be great and still pick your babies up and come home and be a real man to them.

He ended with anything less is an excuse and they didn’t want to be home.

I never forgot that convo and I look at all these unmarried, rich old men with weird relationships with their blood different now and I have no remorse or excuses anymore, plus it destroyed the “to be Kobe or MJ I must neglect my fam and anyone saying otherwise is a bum” mentality the media gave me

 

[R=G]

Ric Flair agrees

 

[Pure Water]

GOAT James ain't got this problem.