Tom Brokaw facing criticism for comments on Hispanics: "they need to assimilate better"

[theworldismine13]

i understand what youre getting at, but like I said the only people where that way of thinking is valid are the self hating (usually very wealthy) hispanics.

latinos at large know that they are an amalgamation of native, european, and african ancestors.

Yeah, ok, sure



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[88m3]

Aside from Spanish none of those languages have any significant impact on American culture or the American economy, they all had their heyday and pretty much disappeared

I wasn't referring to languages you come across riding the subway or traversing random neighborhoods, You can find pockets of any language in the us especially in large metros

So with that conceded without any serious effort on my part it sounds like Spanish has a place in the USA.


As far as other languages go you have no idea what you're talking about as usual and haven't supported your argument with data.

You don't get to move the goal posts just because you're wrong either. Your statement again was.

Name the European languages that survived American assimilation

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

i understand what youre getting at, but like I said the only people where that way of thinking is valid are the self hating (usually very wealthy) hispanics.

latinos at large know that they are an amalgamation of native, european, and african ancestors.

Regardless of complexion, the majority of hispanics that come to this country are conservative Christians...

They come here looking for a handout, once they settle in and start making legal money they make that 180 heel turn because when you're on the books taxes are a problem...And guess who they start pointing fingers at ? Reagan and Amerikkkas favorite scapegoat, the black "welfare queen"...And this is not a self hating minority, the majority of these people came to this country as poor economic migrants, of course they're going to give a shyt about uncle Sam dipping his hands into their bag if they manage to secure it...I've lived in Queens NY my whole life, the majority of hispanics I know that made it out of poverty all act this way...

Once again Trumps approval rating is up 19% among hispanics...

 

[theworldismine13]

So with that conceded without any serious effort on my part it sounds like Spanish has a place in the USA.


As far as other languages go you have no idea what you're talking about as usual and haven't supported your argument with data.

You don't get to move the goal posts just because you're wrong either. Your statement again was.

I stand by what I said, European immigrants lost their language and all of them ended up speaking English

I'm not moving the goal post I'm just clarifying what i meant, but I guess if your goal posts is that if there is a person stilll alive speaking a language then it's not dead, you can have that point

 

[AndroidHero]

You haven't explained why it's so important for Africans and Hispanics to keep their language, what will be the aftermath if immigrants lose their language?

Its clearly important to them to keep their language so they can be more connected their culture and heritage, and there is nothing wrong with that.

And why do you fukking care if a Mexican parents in the US made sure their children learn how to speak Spanish or Somalian parents made sure their children learn how to speak Somali?

"calling out brokaws racism" is problematic for a few reasons 1) immigrants losing their language is normal in America, brokaws comment is just coming from a long American tradition, it's not racism per se it's actually just an extension of Europeans and their competition between each other, it's not directly related to Africans

People are calling out Brokaw's comment because he was telling Hispanics and by extension other non-white immigrant groups to assimilate 'harder' so racist white people who don't want 'brown grand babies' won't fear them, and what he means by assimilate harder is basically abandon their language, culture and heritage.

How about instead of telling immigrants they should lose their language we tell those racist white people to stop fearing people who don't look or speak like them.

And why are you bringing up black people in an issue that has noting to do with them so you can defend a racist old white man?!!!

 

[88m3]

I stand by what I said, European immigrants lost their language and all of them ended up speaking English

I'm not moving the goal post I'm just clarifying what i meant, but I guess if your goal posts is that if there is a person stilll alive speaking a language then it's not dead, you can have that point

A cursory review of this will show otherwise

Languages of the United States - Wikipedia

 

[Reece]

This is corny outrage, any black person with any sense would be horrified by what's happening in Miami and California

Breh. You know if they're saying that about Hispanics, then they're saying that about Blacks. Every time Brokaw mentioned Hispanics or said "they" you could have replaced that with Black and the sentences, tone, and implication would have been no different.

It's so much more complicated than that. On one hand, no one in America wants to see the country turn into Latin America. Sorry if that bothers you but, we don't. Plus, Hispanics are just as racist towards blacks as whites are so there's no need to jump off the boat for them. Plus, illegal immigrants compete DIRECTLY with poor blacks and whites for jobs. But on the other hand, the right thing to do is to give them a chance at a better life, so we have to find a humane way to help the people coming here. But on the other hand, we have to find a humane way to help the people coming here without incentivizing more people from coming because we will reach a point where it's too many. It's very complicated.

 

[theworldismine13]

Historically, immigrants lost all connections to their customs when they left their countries. International calls or even a home phone cost money immigrants didn't have. Letters took months.

In 21st Century America, you can download Sesame Street in Spanish and French for your babies.
In 21st century America, you can FaceTime/skype your 80 year old Romanian granny who doesn't speak English while sitting in a Starbucks and
ordering a grande Mocha latte in English.
Nothing about being bilingual stops a person from succeeding in a doctor, lawyer, or public servant in modern America.

Again, you're pushing some MAGA fantasy of rolling back technological progress that we've ASSIMILATED to.

That is assimilation in 21st century America. You want to tell people how to live their private lives so some white person doesn't hear Spanish in Wal-Mart or are we just going to keep it 100 and tell the party of "people should their rights as long as it doesn't interfere with me" to stop trying to pretend like this isn't disguised racism as pro-America.



I don't know what almost self-destructed even means. America almost self-destructed over slavery. The UK almost self-destructed over the IRA. All of them made it thus far with their differences.

nobody is saying that being bilingual stopss you from succeeding, what i am observing is that there are a lot of jobs that say bilingual preferred and that becomes another stumbling block for black people and another way to discriminate against black people in the labor market

like i said im not disputing that there is racism behind the speak english comments, im just pointing out that that hispanics are racist against black people so its not really something that black people should be in the forefront of, there is no quid pro quo, hispanic people are not going to be in the forfront of black issues quite the opposite, there is a good chance they are engaging in it

canada almost self destructed in in 1995 due to language issues 1995 Quebec referendum - Wikipedia language differences can lead to political schsims that lead to to other bad things, thats why IMO on language i would have to side with the speak english crowd despite their racism motivating it, in the long term i think its bad for the country and i dont see any reason for preserving the spanish language, i think from the point of view of an african slave latin america is the same as north america, its just a poorer version of white supremacy, taking a bullet for hispanics would be like taking a bullet for racist irish

 

[theworldismine13]

A cursory review of this will show otherwise

Languages of the United States - Wikipedia

The most commonly used language in the United States is English (specifically, American English), which is the de facto national language.

thanks for clarifying things

 

[get these nets]

stfu...

we paved the way for your ass to be here

I thought that this was a BS free section of the board. You're the second person to come at me with childishness.
Outside of me reading my post to you in person, I can't explain it any clearer than it was written.

 

[88m3]

thanks for clarifying things

Still doesn't prove the point you're trying to make

 

[theworldismine13]

Its clearly important to them to keep their language so they can be more connected their culture and heritage, and there is nothing wrong with that.

And why do you fukking care if a Mexican parents in the US made sure their children learn how to speak Spanish or Somalian parents made sure their children learn how to speak Somali?

i care if people come from cultures that have a history of anti black attitudes

i dont care at all, i care if i got to appy to a job and they say i have to know spanish and i care if the spanish and somalians are engaging in discrimnation agaisnt black people

People are calling out Brokaw's comment because he was telling Hispanics and by extension other non-white immigrant groups to assimilate 'harder' so racist white people who don't want 'brown grand babies' won't fear them, and what he means by assimilate harder is basically abandon their language, culture and heritage.

How about instead of telling immigrants they should lose their language we tell those racist white people to stop fearing people who don't look or speak like them.

And why are you bringing up black people in an issue that has noting to do with them so you can defend a racist old white man?!!!

i know what brokaw was saying, i just dont see anything wrong with immigrants to america being told to lose their language and culture, again, what is the aftermath if that happens?

im bringing up black people because of the insinuation that if we promote bilingualism and immigration that it will lead to less racism and you can see posters and twitter people making this a black issue

 

[theworldismine13]

Still doesn't prove the point you're trying to make

ok, if you say so

 

[MR. Conclusion]

Maybe I didn't see it, but what did he say that was so offensive? Can someone explain it?

 

[get these nets]

i understand what youre getting at, but like I said the only people where that way of thinking is valid are the self hating (usually very wealthy) hispanics.

latinos at large know that they are an amalgamation of native, european, and african ancestors.

I disagree. Remember Latin tv channels air in the United States. The types of images and comments permitted to go through that media in modern era is almost like what aired in the United states before the late 1960s. Literally like turning back the calendar. I'm sure you're aware of the mot egregious examples throughout the years. Too many Afro-Latinos have written and spoken out about these modern images and how pervasive they STILL are, for me to buy what you're saying here.