Tom Haberstroh- "5 achilles tears this season, number of star injuries in playoffs have increased five fold since 08. Since late 90s star seven fold"

[Tookalossfellbackcameback]

Rotating regularly to defend the 3-pt was not a thing back in the day. Why are you being obtuse?

What is "back in the day"? I'm in my 40's nicca, I'm old as hell.



From my late 90's HS squad to '01 CC ball we were in hard rotations to contest 3's.



This shyt some of you niccas are posting is so off base it's embarrassing.

 

[Guile]

Not enough cross training at a young age. Play baseball, soccer, track, or something instead non stop basketball.

 

[FAH1223]

Its the shoes

The shoes and the types of workouts they are / are not doing could be top likely culprits.

 

[Don Homer]

players gotta cover more ground and move faster in today's game

 

[2 one 3]

Yes I think the low top kicks definitely play a part in it.

Anyone in the Basketball community knows that the Kobe’s are the holy Grail of hoop, shoes, and kids swear by them.

I also think that these kids are playing so much basketball at an early age and aren’t giving their bodies the proper rest and recovery time. Also with these dumb ass drills and these training coaches have players doing shyt that’s not going to be beneficial to themselves.

It’s crazy how mid top kicks are looked at as disgusting but shyt when we were hooping heavy we took ankle support and all of that very serious lol.

 

[Jplaya2023]

players gotta cover more ground and move faster in today's game

Tell me what ground is luka, lebron, and harden covering. When they dont have the ball theyre literal statues out there especiallly Luka

 

[Tookalossfellbackcameback]

Yes I think the low top kicks definitely play a part in it.

Anyone in the Basketball community knows that the Kobe’s are the holy Grail of hoop, shoes, and kids swear by them.

I also think that these kids are playing so much basketball at an early age and aren’t giving their bodies the proper rest and recovery time. Also with these dumb ass drills and these training coaches have players doing shyt that’s not going to be beneficial to themselves.

You wouldn't even think of wearing lows when I played. Niccas would look at you like a fool.



We used to pick shoes out of the Eastbay magazine and the team would vote on which shoe we all wore. If somebody suggested a low shoe they would've been slapped...

 

[2 one 3]

You wouldn't even think of wearing lows when I played. Niccas would look at you like a fool.



We used to pick shoes out of the Eastbay magazine and the team would vote on which shoe we all wore. If somebody suggested a low shoe they would've been slapped...

This is facts.

So many schools and travel teams used the Adidas pro model joints back in the day lol

It is crazy seeing all these star athletes go down with this Achilles injury, though man. I would hate to buy tickets to a game and my favorite player is out.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Not in the 80s no, but as the 3 ball became more popular in the 90s (especially after they moved the line forward) teams adjusted.

The NBA introduced the 3pt line in 78 or 80. Most of the players did not grow up or play in college with a 3pt line so it took a while before it was integrated in the game

Except they didn't really.

Since I know y'all love posting MJ clips, here's one that illustrates just how poorly they defended behind the arc -


The best player in the game (and one of the best jump shooters), and teams were leaving him wide open from 3, not daring him to shoot, but not even bothering to run out and/or rotate because the shot was treated as an afterthought. There's even a post-up there that MJ has on Clyde and he doesn't even attempt to defend the shot (which reflects how bad contesting on jumpshots was back then).

What is "back in the day"? I'm in my 40's nicca, I'm old as hell.



From my late 90's HS squad to '01 CC ball we were in hard rotations to contest 3's.



This shyt some of you niccas are posting is so off base it's embarrassing.

I don't care what you were doing in HS.

The fact of the matter is, 3s have only been an integral part of NBA offenses for about 15 years (give or take), therefore, how teams have defended the shot has been dictated by tendency, volume and need. Rotating out to defend the 3-pt shot in the past wasn't treated as seriously as it has been over this recent 3-pt boom era, this is reflected by how many more miles players travel in today's game than they did in the past.

I've literally referenced a graph on the increase in miles traveled during NBA games, and the pace hasn't deviated much in that timeframe (80s-), so explain to me what other possible reason players today are traveling far, far, far more distance than they did in the past? They're running around in circles for the sake of?

 

[Jplaya2023]

Except they didn't really.

Since I know y'all love posting MJ clips, here's one that illustrates just how poorly they defended behind the arc -


The best player in the game (and one of the best jump shooters), and teams were leaving him wide open from 3, not daring him to shoot, but not even bothering to run out and/or rotate because the shot was treated as an afterthought. There's even a post-up there that MJ has on Clyde and he doesn't even attempt to defend the shot (which reflects how bad jump-shot contesting was back then).

I don't care what you were doing in HS.

The fact of the matter is, 3s have only been an integral part of NBA offenses for about 15 years (give or take), therefore, how teams have defended the shot has been dictated by tendency, volume and need. Rotating out to defend the 3-pt shot in the past wasn't treated as seriously as it has been over this recent 3-pt boom era, this is reflected by how many more miles players travel in today's game than they did in the past.

I've literally referenced a graph on the increase in miles traveled during NBA games, and the pace hasn't deviated much in that timeframe (80s-), so explain to me what other possible reason players today are traveling far, far more distance than they did in the past? They're running around in circles for the sake of?

Notice i said (after they shortened the 3 line) so think post 1995. MJ vs Glide happened in 92 and that was a game where Mike got red hot and had to prove that the great clyde drexler wasnt on his level. Even Mike had interviews when he said he didnt want to rely on 3s because it took awsy from him being aggressive

 

[Osmosis]

What we just saw in these two games tonight, especially at crunch time was 4 players standing around with on-ball PNR or ISO basketball.




You're a Bron cock blower with an agenda who just so happened to use a Bulls/Jordan "done with the 90's" clip...



The game is so much harder to play...especially at the 5 and 4 but Jokic is MVP, the corpse of Al Horford is still a viable defender on a playoff team and 5's and 4's aren't piling up with long term injuries during the season.



This is an overreaction to Tatum taking a bad step and now the resident Coli nerds are acting like nervous hoes...



Stop speaking on a game you don't understand.

You've already littered this thread with retarded posts

There's mountains of data showing that today’s players cover significantly more ground and play at a faster pace. The game’s geometry has evolved with more movement and spacing than ever before, only a dummy would deny what's right in front of them. It's beyond idiotic to compare today's game to an era with players that couldn't shoot and illegal defense rules that limited defensive schemes.

Funny you mention Al Horford, an outlier who was at least an All-Star in his prime. If we’re talking about older players, the late 90s was the peak of the NBA’s geriatric era. You had guys like Bill Cartwright and Bill Wennington playing major minutes on a contender well into their late 30s. shyt, the late 1990s Bulls rotation was primarily comprised of players 32 and older.

 

[Tookalossfellbackcameback]

Except they didn't really.

Since I know y'all love posting MJ clips, here's one that illustrates just how poorly they defended behind the arc -


The best player in the game (and one of the best jump shooters), and teams were leaving him wide open from 3, not daring him to shoot, but not even bothering to run out and/or rotate because the shot was treated as an afterthought. There's even a post-up there that MJ has on Clyde and he doesn't even attempt to defend the shot (which reflects how bad contesting on jumpshots was back then).

I don't care what you were doing in HS.

The fact of the matter is, 3s have only been an integral part of NBA offenses for about 15 years (give or take), therefore, how teams have defended the shot has been dictated by tendency, volume and need. Rotating out to defend the 3-pt shot in the past wasn't treated as seriously as it has been over this recent 3-pt boom era, this is reflected by how many more miles players travel in today's game than they did in the past.

I've literally referenced a graph on the increase in miles traveled during NBA games, and the pace hasn't deviated much in that timeframe (80s-), so explain to me what other possible reason players today are traveling far, far, far more distance than they did in the past? They're running around in circles for the sake of?

It wasn't treated as an afterthought...teams gave Jordan the 3 ball with no hard close because they'd rather have him shooting 3's instead of slashing to the rim.



The offense initiated in the post or high post back then. Doubles still came, rotations were still necessary. Offense is initiated out further from the paint so of course rotations are covering more ground.



Dame and Tatum didn't pop their achilles because of it.



Players are not getting injured because of more space to cover.

 

[Osmosis]

Tell me about the off ball players constantly shifting and rotating defenders here.





Dream, d rob used to routinely switch out and guard away from the basket. You dudes say anything man

Now show me a clip of a 90s big guarding a ball-handler 30 feet from the basket on an island

You posted two clips where teams were comfortable switching their big on to the ball-handler.




These are two other strategies they could have employed. Look at the amount of space the defenders are forced to cover on some of these closeouts.

 

[MikelArteta]

My guess, players aren't conditioned to playing hard during the regular season, and playoffs is when they really start trying. That jump in effort and activity is going to lead to more injuries.

Notice no new York Knicks just saying

This playing his guys major minutes then dudes conditioned like Navy seals

 

[CoCKy GeNiuS]

My guess, players aren't conditioned to playing hard during the regular season, and playoffs is when they really start trying. That jump in effort and activity is going to lead to more injuries.

This is clearly what took place with Kyrie. He was on cruise control during most of these season. Them Luka got traded and Anthony Davis got injured. Kyrie then ramped up his productivity and got injured.