Tom Haberstroh- "5 achilles tears this season, number of star injuries in playoffs have increased five fold since 08. Since late 90s star seven fold"

[904]

I'm no medical professional but I don't see how shoes being high or low could stop an Achilles tear. An ankle sprain, maybe.

With the way the Achilles functions, I don't think there's really any technology we have that can support it. Unless you have something that would stop players from loading and stretching violently from the balls of their feet but that would make the game very boring to watch

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The nikkas blowing their Achilles aren’t nikkas like Dort,Stewart, or Camara..guys who do consistently fly around on defense ,making all types of sudden cuts and movements …I have no clue why we’re even talking about player defensive rotations in this thread


Almost every nikkas on earth ,including myself have blew our shyt out by trying to go from 0-100 ,overloading the fukk out of our leg which blows the shyt up. In my case I INTENTIONALLY ramped up power on my left to drive past this 18 yr old Thybulle ass nikkas

An Achilles tear isn’t some ticking time bomb,wear and tear thing unless you’re dealing with tendinitis or some shyt before it happens. It’s a FREAK injury that pops up out of nowhere .


It’s a combination of players are not training like they use too (nba players said it themselves) ,youth players are putting too many miles on their bodies (and even then ..not sure if that’s an Achilles thing ) ,Low top shoes being goofy as hell .. my surgeon looked at me like I was crazy when I showed him what I was hooping in )

But this whole players are helping weakside more often argument makes 0 sense in This context .

If that’s the case Evan Mobley shouldn’t have a leg left

It's the accumulation of covering more distance, leading to fatigue, leading to further risk of injury. The more stress you put your body under when you're exhausted, the more prone you are to getting injured. That's why the topic of defense has come up, because players are running up more miles on that end than ever before. I mean, it's basic common sense that defending more 3-pt shots = running further distance to defend = exhaustion = risk of injury.

I don't know why you're bringing up Dort, Big Stew and Camara for, when they don't typically have a big offensive load to carry as well, where they're typically spotting up (in Dort's and Camara's case) or Big Stew who's banging down low, crashing the glass and providing paint protection.

On the topic of Achilles' tears, they can happen for various reasons, and yes one of those reasons can be a "ticking time bomb". It doesn't just have to be an injury that comes out of nowhere. Repetitive use can weaken the tendon causing it to tear; micro-injuries over time can make it vulnerable during a sudden movement.

90's Shaq isn't fat and would be more physically gifted than any 5 in the sport today...Wemby included.

Earlier in his career he was like that, but when he was nearing his prime, and all the niggling injuries started to pile up, he had to adjust. As you know guys that big aren't supposed to move like that for extensive periods of time, so that affected his conditioning once he had to manage his workload. He's the same dude who proudly professes he didn't workout during the summer throughout his career.

Now, can you imagine how fast that would've been microwaved in today's pace-and-space NBA, where his body would've had to deal with a greater physical demand having to regularly defend on the perimeter?

It's a large reason why Embiid's career at the top was done before he was 30. If he came up in the 90s, he would've had a more prolonged career.

I bet if you track the miles Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, Reggie Miller or Iverson traveled strictly playing in constant off ball movement it would be significantly high.

They would be, most definitely, but they're not part of the pattern that happened during that time. They're the outliers.

That doesn't mean the league in general was covering the same distances as they were. I literally posted a graph of the difference between back then and now. Or are you just going to completely gloss over that because it goes against the narrative you're trying to paint?

 

[Regular_P]

Bron got them Cadillacs on his feet while everyone else want that low cut, low ground feel, super responsive cushioning. Maybe he on to something

He's been wearing lows the past three seasons.

 

[gho3st]

The solution is staring the owners right in the face. 70 game regular season.

Nikka stfu forever with this dumb ass take. players played more games on the 90s, more minutes and we didnt have these injuries.

 

[King Poetic]

Stop sitting out constantly during the regular season and coming into the postseason going all out and playing 45 minutes

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Stop sitting out constantly during the regular season and coming into the postseason going all out and playing 45 minutes

How does that pertain to Tatum who played 72 games during the regular season and averaged 36 minutes (8th-most in the league)?

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Nikka stfu forever with this dumb ass take. players played more games on the 90s, more minutes and we didnt have these injuries.

We went over this in the first page. The average player covers way more ground today. They run on average 250 more miles per season than 25 years ago. That’s an extra 3 miles per game.

 

[phillycavsfan]

Nikka stfu forever with this dumb ass take. players played more games on the 90s, more minutes and we didnt have these injuries.

But they played at a slower pace, and didn't cut as much because there was more one on one defense and less switching.

 

[beenz]

The solution is staring the owners right in the face. 70 game regular season.

That's like a 15% reduction in games. U think anyone involved is willing to take a potential 15% pay cut??

 

[beenz]

Also these dudes are not strong or more conditioned like players in the 80s-90s. Guys like Karl, Shaq, Admiral, Pippen, and Rodman had old country man strength. The intensity of the training and conditioning isn't anywhere near what it once was. It's why these dudes look flimsy as hell and delicate out there.

U do realize the admiral tore his Achilles as well. That lost season is what put the Spurs in position to get in the lottery, which got them Duncan.

 

[OneManGang]

Yall just parroting dumb takes without any sort of in depth research which you can’t do bc you’re not even privy to half the data it would take to come to a reasonable hypothesis

The shoes argument never stand up as soccer players wear cleats that are lows and the rates of Achilles tears are almost non existent. And yes, they do just as much if not more cutting and explosive moments.

It could be anything from the workouts to the recovery to drug regimens but shoes is a huge reach. High top shoes aren’t even protecting the Achilles tendon from stretching, that’s not their purpose

 

[Harry B]

I’m not a basketball or medical expert, but when you listen to them and not flabby and sick old heads talking outta their ass on YouTube or thecoli. Then it’s obvious that the game is a lot faster, a lot more intense, and relatively big guys are moving like small guys used to. Which obviously puts a strain on ligaments, tendons and sh.

Perhaps we should stop shytting on them for load managing. Just like pitchers load manage like 80% of the season.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Dudes repeating broadcaster/podcaster takes, as usual.

If coaching and the game are so much more advanced than past eras , you'd think that teams would adjust by playing star players fewer minutes and opening up their rotations of who gets minutes. Especially contending teams.

They do exactly that now. Lol load management is what they call it. It clearly does NOT work however

 

[Jplaya2023]

I’m not a basketball or medical expert, but when you listen to them and not flabby and sick old heads talking outta their ass on YouTube or thecoli. Then it’s obvious that the game is a lot faster, a lot more intense, and relatively big guys are moving like small guys used to. Which obviously puts a strain on ligaments, tendons and sh.

Perhaps we should stop shytting on them for load managing. Just like pitchers load manage like 80% of the season.

Let me ask you, is the Jason Tatum injury a result of this "faster, and more intense game and pace" or was it a freak/fluke injury..

 

[Black Hans]

Players back in the day played 82 games, too

Gotta be changes in exercise regimens, shoes, and/or supplementation that's causing this problem.