Tom Haberstroh- "5 achilles tears this season, number of star injuries in playoffs have increased five fold since 08. Since late 90s star seven fold"

[BlackMajik]

 

[CHICAGO]

2 BIG MEN....

23 YR OLD JAMES WISEMAN TORE
HIS ACHILLES ON OPENING NIGHT

22 YR OLD ISAIAH JACKSON
TORE HIS ACHILLES 5 GAMES
INTO THE SEASON

CANT PUT THAT ON PLAY STYLE, AGE
NOR GAMES PLAYED


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[J-MIL]

These dudes aren't in shape like players from past eras

Getting rid of contact practices was the dumbest shyt ever

Magic spoke about this on Byron Scott's podcast not too long ago

 

[Trojan 24]

He's been wearing lows the past three seasons.

So the Cadillacs on 10s

 

[Conan]

Yall just parroting dumb takes without any sort of in depth research which you can’t do bc you’re not even privy to half the data it would take to come to a reasonable hypothesis

The shoes argument never stand up as soccer players wear cleats that are lows and the rates of Achilles tears are almost non existent. And yes, they do just as much if not more cutting and explosive moments.

It could be anything from the workouts to the recovery to drug regimens but shoes is a huge reach. High top shoes aren’t even protecting the Achilles tendon from stretching, that’s not their purpose

No in-depth research. No data backing their theories. No solid train of thought that can generalize beyond their favorite 90s player. Just retarded hot ass takes from them.

 

[mastermind]

Dudes repeating broadcaster/podcaster takes, as usual.

If coaching and the game are so much more advanced than past eras , you'd think that teams would adjust by playing star players fewer minutes and opening up their rotations of who gets minutes. Especially contending teams.

This forum is just husks of bodies with no brains.

 

[VegetasHairline]

I’m not a basketball or medical expert, but when you listen to them and not flabby and sick old heads talking outta their ass on YouTube or thecoli. Then it’s obvious that the game is a lot faster, a lot more intense, and relatively big guys are moving like small guys used to. Which obviously puts a strain on ligaments, tendons and sh.

Perhaps we should stop shytting on them for load managing. Just like pitchers load manage like 80% of the season.

Not a good comparison or example. Load managing pitchers hasn't helped them.

 

[FAH1223]

Except they didn't really.

Since I know y'all love posting MJ clips, here's one that illustrates just how poorly they defended behind the arc -


The best player in the game (and one of the best jump shooters), and teams were leaving him wide open from 3, not daring him to shoot, but not even bothering to run out and/or rotate because the shot was treated as an afterthought. There's even a post-up there that MJ has on Clyde and he doesn't even attempt to defend the shot (which reflects how bad contesting on jumpshots was back then).

I don't care what you were doing in HS.

The fact of the matter is, 3s have only been an integral part of NBA offenses for about 15 years (give or take), therefore, how teams have defended the shot has been dictated by tendency, volume and need. Rotating out to defend the 3-pt shot in the past wasn't treated as seriously as it has been over this recent 3-pt boom era, this is reflected by how many more miles players travel in today's game than they did in the past.

I've literally referenced a graph on the increase in miles traveled during NBA games, and the pace hasn't deviated much in that timeframe (80s-), so explain to me what other possible reason players today are traveling far, far, far more distance than they did in the past? They're running around in circles for the sake of?

Do AC Green, Karl Malone and John Stockton remain iron men in this era?

 

[dh86]

No the solution is spacing games out more. Theres no reason for back to backs anymore or 4 games in 5 nights. And then the second round is every other day.



Plus guys are playing too much when young. This article was in 2019:

'These kids are ticking time bombs': The threat of youth basketball

In part one of a two-part series, ESPN explores the dangers of youth basketball -- and how the culture of perpetual competition is jeopardizing the futures of the very stars it hopes to create.

www.espn.com

Season is already from mid October to mid June. You can’t give more rest days without cutting games

 

[OneManGang]

This is a terrible study for a few different reasons but mainly and most easily is that they only looked at cadavers, TWO of them.

Second, what are the Achilles tears rates in other sports using mainly low top shoes?

Achilles do not tear bc of footwear. They tear due to overuse, age, and or chemical conditioning from drugs/medication. Those are the most likely causes. These guys are tall, big human beings pushing their body to limits 99% of the population will never.

 

[holidayinn21]

Do AC Green, Karl Malone and John Stockton remain iron men in this era?

Why wouldn't they be

 

[Methodical]

Get rid of playoff series. 1 game elimination

Should go back to the original series format, 3-5-7-7. Best of 7 series in all rounds ain't cut it, it's too much, I know these greedy ass want $$$.

 

[nieman]

There's no way in hell you're bringing up an argument about conditioning being better in the 80s/90s and mentioning Shaq.

Ain't no way.

Playa.

Puh-lease.

Shaq had issues with conditioning back then when all he did was hang around the paint on both ends. Can you imagine his fat ass having to run out and defend the PnR in today's game?

How is it that the talent pool in the NBA is deeper than it's ever been, naturally, because there's more folks in this country that hoop than ever before, as well as globally, which means competition for spots in the league is greater, but yet you seem to think the intensity of training/conditioning has decreased - how does that make sense to you?

And when exactly did this dropoff in conditioning start? At what point did players in the NBA just give up and say we ain't gonna train like that anymore? Did all the hoopers just come to a mutual agreement not to train hard anymore, all the while more and more of them wanted a seat at the table?

Shaq did run around in Orlando. He did defend the PnR. He was better conditioned then, as well. His last season he missed the first 2 months with a broken thumb or something that. When he went to LA is when he really stopped trying - he was focusing too much on movies and music, and that's when he had weight issues, which caused the knee problems.

 

[nieman]

You can't say less games will make things better, because these dudes are barely playing 65 games. Wasn't it something like only 15% of the league being eligible for awards.

It's really the style of play. These dudes don't play hard for 1/2 of a season, barely play for 1/2 a season, then try to rev up during the playoffs. Added, with them playing a style of doing too much, it leads up to the injuries. They're also poorly conditioned. The mid-30s guys, it's expected because of the wear and tear, but it shouldn't be dudes 7-10 years younger having so many issues.

Even with Derrick Rose, everyone knew his style of play was going to catch up to him early. Same with ja.

 

[Rekkapryde]

like others said, for people that tall doing all that starting, stopping, cutting, juking, step back, euro steps with the increased wear and tear on their bodies and joints from youth training practicing all that shyt....it's gonna take a toll.