Torraine Walker, Dr. TJ Curry, and others discuss Black Male studies

[EndDomination]

I think they thread the needle pretty well and if you're judging it on what Black feminist studies are, They barely criticize white men the majority of the criticism is focused on Black Men with a dollop of Black female separatism aka Divestment.

This isn't true in the slightest.

Like, there is no major Black feminist work that talks about "divestment" and every single one of them criticises the white male power-structure.

Also I expounded on my comment above so re-read that before responding.

 

[EndDomination]

Yea it was good to have a really positive space that wasn't all about shytting on black men. It was a highly respectful and educational discussion. I would agree that Tariq shouldn't be a part of this and not to sound but I don't think he has the level of professionalism or even education to properly represent the arguments these brothers were trying to bring across. I'm glad there was such a good turnout and I really do think slowly but surely we are starting to see more people push back against the bullshyt.

Tariq Nasheed shouldn't be anywhere near this.
He doesn't have the academic background or the intellectual capacity, to engage with Black Males Studies in any substantial way.

Someone like Khalil G. Muhammad we would be a great addition.

 

[Wiseborn]

It isn't viewed favorably, in part due to the caustic nature of some of its proponents.

It is absolutely an area worth studying and there is a vast array of knowledge to be gathered. But when it is reduced to its lowest soundbites - which even Dr. Curry does, occasionally, it basically ends up being anti-feminist arm flailing and losing its substance. I've even seen him post random charts showing that Black women have a higher employment rate, as proof that there is no patriarchy (undermining his far more nuanced and thoughtful writing in works like The Man-Not).

I think Frank B. Wilderson III actually does a good job of framing Black men as a group that exists as both racialized and gendered, in a way that doesn't discount one from the other, or engage in sloppy oppression Olympics.

The same for Sylvia Wynter and Saidiya Haartman. I definitely would love if more work was done in this area - I attend the National Black Male retreat and see a variety of ideologies and work being done on a macro-level there, which is why I retain my interest.

I think that Angela Davis also does a remarkable job of framing some of the underlying bases for Black Male Studies in her book Women, Race & Class which somehow ends up oft-ignored.

Are you telling me that you can't reduce shyt that's said by Black Feminist Professors and writers can't be reduced to divestment lite sterotypes? I mean Jamiliah just wrote a piece framing a Black ass lie that Black Men (and apparently only Black Men) are homophobic and transphobic.

I remember the Down Low moral panic a decade of so ago.

 

[AAKing23]

I rock with all these dudes, might check this out

 

[EndDomination]

Are you telling me that you can't reduce shyt that's said by Black Feminist Professors and writers can't be reduced to divestment lite sterotypes? I mean Jamiliah just wrote a piece framing a Black ass lie that Black Men (and apparently only Black Men) are homophobic and transphobic.

I remember the Down Low moral panic a decade of so ago.

I think that’s actually a major problem breh, that’s why I’m pointing it out. The Lamieux woman isn’t an academic of any note - if scholars like Yammahtta-Taylor, Davis, Hartman, etc. did it it’s be a different story.

He actually reminds me of Dr. Sandy Darrity a bit because he gets too-online and ends up Tweeting silly things, while being perceived as sort of the leader of a given academic movement (for Darrity it’s reparations and ADOS).

And the down-low moral pandemic was largely divorced from the academy - it was a product of anti-Black male homophobia and gossip hand-wringing more than anything else.


Again, I support Black Male Studies in full, and want to see its growth.

 

[Nar-el]

Give it time. They won't be able to ignore these dudes anymore.

 

[Neuromancer]

or engage in sloppy oppression Olympics.

Fighting fire.

 

[Neuromancer]

I think that’s actually a major problem breh, that’s why I’m pointing it out. The Lamieux woman isn’t an academic of any note - if scholars like Yammahtta-Taylor, Davis, Hartman, etc. did it it’s be a different story

But you must notice that many of the people who use black female studies to justify their anti-black male thinking are not only the loudest but the people that others are most informed by. Not in the academic space but the court of public opinion which holds more weight now a days.

 

[Chip Skylark]

I’ve been following Torraine and Dr. Curry for a minute. It was actually a couple Coli bros who put me on.

So far I think Dr. Curry is doing great work. He’s never emotional and actually uses quantifiable evidence for everything and I mean for EVERY point he makes.

if you can pick up The Man Not asap and follow him on social media.

 

[Mike18jj]

I’ve been following Torraine for years, he a good bruh that calls out shyt other people don’t want to.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

I’ve been following Torraine for years, he a good bruh that calls out shyt other people don’t want to.

Man, if this house of cards ever falls down

A lot of people going to look stupid and complicit

 

[Mastamimd]

Give it time. They won't be able to ignore these dudes anymore.

It's why there's so much vehement push back on Twitter, because it kills a lot of falsified narratives.

 

[Mastamimd]

I’ve been following Torraine and Dr. Curry for a minute. It was actually a couple Coli bros who put me on.

So far I think Dr. Curry is doing great work. He’s never emotional and actually uses quantifiable evidence for everything and I mean for EVERY point he makes.

if you can pick up The Man Not asap and follow him on social media.

Him, Jamel, Reny and Dr. Curry should be followed by everyone here

 

[Chip Skylark]

Him, Jamel, Reny and Dr. Curry should be followed by everyone here

PREACH!!!!!

I’m sure they probably discuss it in the root. I need to visit the sub more honestly

 

[EBK String]

I think that’s actually a major problem breh, that’s why I’m pointing it out. The Lamieux woman isn’t an academic of any note - if scholars like Yammahtta-Taylor, Davis, Hartman, etc. did it it’s be a different story.

He actually reminds me of Dr. Sandy Darrity a bit because he gets too-online and ends up Tweeting silly things, while being perceived as sort of the leader of a given academic movement (for Darrity it’s reparations and ADOS).

And the down-low moral pandemic was largely divorced from the academy - it was a product of anti-Black male homophobia and gossip hand-wringing more than anything else.


Again, I support Black Male Studies in full, and want to see its growth.

All these anti black male online movements are directly inspired by academia and hack works from black feminists based on little to no data or data that is purposely misinterpreted. Dr. Curry and other black male study academics are actually much too kind to their idiotic opponents.