Toure Shares Thoughts On MCHG
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My point is that I don't give a fukk about hiphop reviews from people who are not hiphop heads. I don't care about grammy's, mtv awards, bet awards and all that bullshyt.
If the streets, the clubs, the hiphop community, djs, hiphop magazines, hiphop sites, hiphop blogs, the internet hiphop community, other rappers and shyt fukks with it, then I know people fukk with it.
I got to pitchfork and them for other genres which consists of 50% of my music catalogue.
Not for hiphop although I co-signed GKMC being the album of the year last year (together with Frank Ocean, Beach house and Tame Impala) and MBDTF being the album of the year in 2010. These non-hiphop heads reviews were not my confirmation of what the word was.
If the streets, the clubs, the hiphop community, djs, hiphop magazines, hiphop sites, hiphop blogs, the internet hiphop community, other rappers and shyt fukks with it, then I know people fukk with it.
I got to pitchfork and them for other genres which consists of 50% of my music catalogue.
Not for hiphop although I co-signed GKMC being the album of the year last year (together with Frank Ocean, Beach house and Tame Impala) and MBDTF being the album of the year in 2010. These non-hiphop heads reviews were not my confirmation of what the word was.
I'm personally talking weak rhymes and wack beats.
But even still, a lot of people didn't like all the money talk . But a lot of critics did.
"The album works best when Jay and Kanye are just talking about how great they are" Pitchfork hipster bible gave it 8.5 Jay-Z / Kanye West: Watch the Throne | Album Reviews | Pitchfork
Time Magazine "a beautifully decadent album by two of hip-hop's finest artists — men with a lot of things to say and a lot of money to spend."
British paper who shytted on MCHG said of WTT "Some find this sort of branded gloating distasteful, but at their best both rappers can still make you laugh."
MCHG fails because Jay sounds less witty or excited than he ever has. A lot of the beats are plain pedestrian where WTT was more ambitious and took more chances. Jay doesn't sound half as fun on MCHG as he did on WTT. Lyrically, MCHG seems rushed. There's as little depth to the rhymes as you'll ever find on a Jay-Z album. Compare the first verses of each album. NIP is the club banger from WTT, compare the lyrics to Tom Ford. From Jay, it's a massive step down.
Critics didn't shyt on WTT. You can' re-write history, I have Google.com at my fingertips.
But even still, a lot of people didn't like all the money talk . But a lot of critics did.
"The album works best when Jay and Kanye are just talking about how great they are" Pitchfork hipster bible gave it 8.5 Jay-Z / Kanye West: Watch the Throne | Album Reviews | Pitchfork
Time Magazine "a beautifully decadent album by two of hip-hop's finest artists — men with a lot of things to say and a lot of money to spend."
British paper who shytted on MCHG said of WTT "Some find this sort of branded gloating distasteful, but at their best both rappers can still make you laugh."
MCHG fails because Jay sounds less witty or excited than he ever has. A lot of the beats are plain pedestrian where WTT was more ambitious and took more chances. Jay doesn't sound half as fun on MCHG as he did on WTT. Lyrically, MCHG seems rushed. There's as little depth to the rhymes as you'll ever find on a Jay-Z album. Compare the first verses of each album. NIP is the club banger from WTT, compare the lyrics to Tom Ford. From Jay, it's a massive step down.
Critics didn't shyt on WTT. You can' re-write history, I have Google.com at my fingertips.
Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
Have a MCHG instrumental album dropped. N
W/O Hov
W/O Hov
This is not Chief Keef or Gucci Mane. Jay-Z makes music for everyone, this album was designed to play side by side with Justin fukking Timberlake. Non-hip hop heads simply don't get the appeal of Juiceman and they struggle with Nas... Jay-Z... doesn't wash. He makes music for cac's just as much as hip hop heads.
Toure Shares Thoughts On MCHG.....
this mufukkin gif is classico...lol
Jay-z doesn't make music for cacs or black people, he makes music for hiphop heads most of the times. Sometimes he might hit you with BP3 which was for everyone, politically correct and all that shyt. He had to get Jeezy on a track to talk that shyt and that was the only track in which he talked that shyt (and Haters). And even that song was half "soft". Trying to limit the success talk and all that shyt. He even said he made the album for a world tour.
MCHG might've been his most hoodish album since Vol.3.
Why does he do it? cause he's at a spot where he can sell everything, sell out shows anywhere even without new music.
He did it cause he knows that he's reached a place of being a legend in which he's immune against criticism, already on greatest musician lists on rock magazines, always top 5 rapper, always winning grammy's (even 6 grammy's with average ass BP3s) and on. He's like Paul McCartney after Beatles, just doing what he finds fun.
It was a point where he had to call American Gangster an unofficial soundtrack to a movie and all that shyt to be able to make street shyt. Now he just goes in, takes shots at Robert Deniro, talking about buying coke from chief keep and shyt. Talking about Beyonce fukking him like a prostitute. Saying shyt like "I'm a hood nikka, what you want me to do". When NFL/agents say something about him he just shyt on them like nothing, he's taking shot at bosses at Universal telling him what to do as president at Def Jam and on. And all this shyt I said in this paragraph got negative shots in these non-hiphop reviews but the streets loved it.
Non Sequitur
Creep.
Wayne Brady is from the hood though...He was raised by his aunt and grandmother in the hood part of Orlanda...
When Bill Maher came at Jay-Z sideways he was stuttering, mumbling and looking down at his shoes...
Bill Maher came at Wayne Brady sideways and Wayne promptly offered to "smack the sh1t out of him"
These are all facts
he made this album so he could tour with Justin Timberlake and have some new material to perform. Oh and for the money. Nothing more, nothing less.The streets?
you nor Jay-Z are in the streets man, stop it.Musically, thematically, lyrically, this album is safe and conservative.
The streets have no idea what Jay is talking about on Picasso baby. Molly is popping in the streets and they don't rock Tom Ford suits man.
Paris where we been, pard' my Parisian
It's Hov time in no time, it's fukk all y'all season
Piss Bordeaux and Burgundies, flush out a Riesling
When Hov's out, them hoes out, y'all put y'all weaves in
Clap for a nikka with his rapping ass
Blow a stack for your nikkas with your trapping ass
Spent all my euros on tuxes and weird clothes
I party with weirdoes, yeah Hov, yeah Hov
is this for hip-hop heads?
Regardless of who it is for. It is wack.
Jay-z has always talked about shyt the streets knew nothing about
The streets?
Musically, thematically, lyrically, this album is safe and conservative.
The streets have no idea what Jay is talking about on Picasso baby. Molly is popping in the streets and they don't rock Tom Ford suits man.
Paris where we been, pard' my Parisian
It's Hov time in no time, it's fukk all y'all season
Piss Bordeaux and Burgundies, flush out a Riesling
When Hov's out, them hoes out, y'all put y'all weaves in
Clap for a nikka with his rapping ass
Blow a stack for your nikkas with your trapping ass
Spent all my euros on tuxes and weird clothes
I party with weirdoes, yeah Hov, yeah Hov
is this for hip-hop heads?
Regardless of who it is for. It is wack.
He even retweeted someone asking him the difference between a 4.0 and 4.6
.His shyt was always to be on the next shyt or bring it back to the shyt you thought was dead.
The cacs don't know what trappin is and young hood cats don't know what a Riesling is, but they all have internet and they will all google it.
If he wanted to make an album for a tour with Justin Timberlake, he would make an album with hits they played 24/7, it's really not that hard for him.
He would push them to cac radio and all that shyt, he didn't even send songs to urban radio and the first single drops like 2 weeks after the album Picasso Baby.
The Magna Carta tour is after the summer and it's a solo tour.
We're not getting anywhere, millions of hiphop heads like the album, a lot of people don't, nothing more to say really.
I'll be at the spot with 50k other people who like the album turntup as fukk.
I need to bounce from this forum until Drake drops, long discussions, long posts and too many discussions with people saying "I'm a Jay-z stan but he's been ass for 10 years"
Its a good album, not a great album. Jay-Z has a minimum of 4, some people will say as many as 9 great albums. When you do great, good is just ...okay. For him though, because his catalog is so deep and he is so popular, he only needs a "good" album to keep his career flourishing. As long as he doesn't drop any BP2's he's straight.
up in here
Superstar
They been cool since RD and she been business associates with Jay for a loooong time. It's funny cause all the anti-consumerism pro-woman pseudo-revolutionary feminist bullshyt she speaks she puts aside everytime Jay-Z name comes up. It's like she just can't dislike anything Jay does. She even claimed to have never listened to WTT just so she could dodge questions about it from her twitter followers.
there are always the same ol bunch of 
fakkits being all up in every jay-z related thread trying to force their opinions.
we get it you dont like the album stop posting generic reasons as to why you hate the camel, he should retire ect.
this album is a solid 3.75 i could've done without the tom ford and holy grail tracks
fakkits being all up in every jay-z related thread trying to force their opinions.we get it you dont like the album stop posting generic reasons as to why you hate the camel, he should retire ect.
this album is a solid 3.75 i could've done without the tom ford and holy grail tracks
Piff Perkins
Veteran
The problem with a lot of these old hip hop reviewers is that they're afraid of being cut off from the power source - be it Jay, Kanye, whoever. There seems to be a movement among many in hip hop to make it more artistic on the most superficial levels (cover artwork, music videos, tour set ups, etc) while the music sees very little effort or evolution. But instead of calling this out, many reviewers would rather sip a cocktail at a Def Jam party and nod their head to the bullshyt.
Jay sounds lost from beginning to end of MCHG. I can imagine ASAP Rocky turning those beats into dope songs, but Jay sounds out of his element. It's shocking that even Dream Hampton can admit that. I bet Jay called her for clarification.
Not saying rappers need to rap about "the struggle" all the time, nor am I saying Jay is so rich I can't relate. The problem is that the album boils down to a bunch of weak, corny "I'm rich" verses with nothing sticking. You know why I moderately fukk with 2 Chainz? Because nearly all his songs got at least a couple witty lines or phrase switches. Juicy J be rapping about the same shyt yet makes me smirk due to a slick line all the damn time. Jay's rapping on MCHG is basically Fisher Price status shyt.
I realize someone gonna come up in here and "break down" some song on the album. Sure, Jay got some metaphors. But overall he wastes way more bars than saves. You see it in the reviews, which praise the production and dismiss the rapping. And it goes back to my point about these people (Jay, Kanye to a lesser extent, etc) focusing on everything BUT writing good songs. They got the fancy, expensive hook with the hot feature, they got the beat, they got the drums...but there's no substance.
(disclaimer: I love Yeezus)
Jay sounds lost from beginning to end of MCHG. I can imagine ASAP Rocky turning those beats into dope songs, but Jay sounds out of his element. It's shocking that even Dream Hampton can admit that. I bet Jay called her for clarification.
Not saying rappers need to rap about "the struggle" all the time, nor am I saying Jay is so rich I can't relate. The problem is that the album boils down to a bunch of weak, corny "I'm rich" verses with nothing sticking. You know why I moderately fukk with 2 Chainz? Because nearly all his songs got at least a couple witty lines or phrase switches. Juicy J be rapping about the same shyt yet makes me smirk due to a slick line all the damn time. Jay's rapping on MCHG is basically Fisher Price status shyt.
I realize someone gonna come up in here and "break down" some song on the album. Sure, Jay got some metaphors. But overall he wastes way more bars than saves. You see it in the reviews, which praise the production and dismiss the rapping. And it goes back to my point about these people (Jay, Kanye to a lesser extent, etc) focusing on everything BUT writing good songs. They got the fancy, expensive hook with the hot feature, they got the beat, they got the drums...but there's no substance.
(disclaimer: I love Yeezus)
Jay-z has always talked about shyt the streets knew nothing about
He even retweeted someone asking him the difference between a 4.0 and 4.6
His shyt was always to be on the next shyt or bring it back to the shyt you thought was dead.
The cacs don't know what trappin is and young hood cats don't know what a Riesling is, but they all have internet and they will all google it.
If he wanted to make an album for a tour with Justin Timberlake, he would make an album with hits they played 24/7, it's really not that hard for him.
He would push them to cac radio and all that shyt, he didn't even send songs to urban radio and the first single drops like 2 weeks after the album Picasso Baby.
The Magna Carta tour is after the summer and it's a solo tour.
We're not getting anywhere, millions of hiphop heads like the album, a lot of people don't, nothing more to say really.
I'll be at the spot with 50k other people who like the album turntup as fukk.
I need to bounce from this forum until Drake drops, long discussions, long posts and too many discussions with people saying "I'm a Jay-z stan but he's been ass for 10 years"
Wack music is just wack music. MCHG is wack, stop making excuses. This is not Yeezus, it is not challenging, it is just wack.
You are talking in stan circles "he's always on to the next... unless he's bringing back the old shyt".
What does radio have to do with a tour? Do you know how many old artists are basically touring artists? They release new albums just so that they have something new to add to the tour. Jay has a few songs with JT and some other new tunes to put out. The last 3 Jay-Z albums TO TOUR. BP3 to headline Coachella and ramp up the stadium status songs, WTT to obviously tour with Kanye and MCHG to tour with Justin.
You're a silly dikkrider. I done told you, I saw Jay-Z live on the weekend. I'm still a big fan, liked WTT, BP3 achieved what it was meant too, even KC is better than MCHG to me and I can articulate my reasons clearly. Only the dikkriders went crazy for the wack shyt off MCHG.
You keep making shyt up to fit your argument. WTT was his best critical reception since AG but you want to pretend it had the same feedback as MCHG.
MCHG is being touted as wack by most people with any taste in music. From the-coli to critics.