Trevor Lawrence was supposed to be "generational"

[Trav]

The guy has been bashed by the media and is in Jacksonville relentlessly since his rookie year. His 1st coach was urban Meyer who after he got paid admitted he wasn't in it. Then he got Doug Pederson who checked out after year two. Though his 1st year TL made it to the afc title game.

He's had a new OC every year he's been in the league! The best WR they could get for him before BTJ was Kirk. A 5'11 slot guy as WR1. He never got chemistry with BTJ because he got hurt. He got hurt like 3 outta 4 years because his OL been so bad.

What other "generational QB" get called in the office with the HC and OC and told "look we don't care if the OC calls a bad play, STOP audibling from the play and play your position". His last two years he was at war with his OC because press Taylor is a trash OC...but D. Pedersons boy toy.

The guy has had defenses that were nearly historically bad. No type of help. A run game that can be decent in some games DESPITE a lack of run blocking. Absolutely sucked at short yardage.

Yeah he and BTJ don't have that chemistry yet (sometimes it's just like that) but his chemistry fine with other WRs.

This guy hasn't been given nothing to work with. And no chance to get comfortable in a system. Has to learn a new one every season.q

Baker done had like 8 OCs since he's been in the league. Nobody tryna hear that lol

 

[Dzali OG]

Fair enough point. This guy Lawrence isn't even showing the flashes Brees did though. Its Year 5, if he's gonna show flashes of potential Brees-like play, this is the year.

This is some serious caping.

They said he was generational. A generational quarterback would be able to rise above some of these issues. Manning wasn't drafted to a team with elite grades across coaching, front office, or positions, but because he was a generational player, everything around him clicked.

Saying Lawrence "has had nothing to work with" is a complete lie. You can point out Jacksonville's weaknesses in short yardage while also pointing out he's had good running backs.

He hasn't had a war chest of talent at the skill position but if he was generational the way they told us he was, he and Thomas would be Manning and Harrison. Instead, Thomas is Harrison waiting on an equally talented quarterback to match him and elevate the team.

The Jaguars didn't go to the AFC Championship in 2022; they havent been since 2017.

I previously said, they went crazy with that "generational talent" phrase for a few years. It was a term everyone started throwing around. You gotta realize that. It set unrealistic expectations for many players.

Even a great talent has to have SOMETHING to work with. A great WR or RB or HC or TE or OL. TL had NONE of those, go look at his rosters. Peyton had Marvin, Edge, a good OL, D. Clark and eventually R. Wayne. On top of him being one of a kind.

Lawrence had ETN healthy his 2nd year (the year they made playoffs) and ETN is only average. Most dynamic WR he's had is Zay Jones who is at best 3rd WR on the Cardinals. Engram (who bombed in NY) was the best weapon he's had and he sent Engram to the pro bowl as a backup.

A QB unless they're actually special has to have SOMETHING. Even Mahomes look like shyt when Kelce not there.

Go look at all the thigs TL didn't have and rebutt any of it.

 

[DaRock]

The sports media and the word " generational " gets thrown around so often it literally loses the meaning..every other year someone is supposed to be "generational "..

How sway?

 

[Dzali OG]

Baker done had like 8 OCs since he's been in the league. Nobody tryna hear that lol

And Baker improved when he got the OC TL currently has who is the first coach to yell him his footwork is what fukked him up.

The 1st coach that said first thing we have to do is fix your footwork. While all the other coaches let him getaway with them ugly ass mechanics while they rode the coattails of his physical attributes.

And it's not just TL, there's been a gang of QBs that just needed the proper coach and/or system.

If a player is unlucky enough to get stuck with a pompous or stubborn coach...their chance is down the drain in the NFL.

 

[Dzali OG]

The sports media and the word " generational " gets thrown around so often it literally loses the meaning..every other year someone is supposed to be "generational "..

How sway?

People fell in love with that term and started applying it to 2 or 3 players every year erroneously.

How are tgere generational players every year when a generation is like 10 years Sway?

 

[Megadeus]

Fair enough point. This guy Lawrence isn't even showing the flashes Brees did though. Its Year 5, if he's gonna show flashes of potential Brees-like play, this is the year.

Hmm Gotta disagree breh.

T Law definitely showed flashes all throughout 2022. And he had some moments in 23 despite being sacked a ton.

His 2022 was better than any one of young Brees' Chargers seasons.

I think he could possibly benefit from a scenery change because I do believe he may have it in him to be mad nice.

 

[CarltonJunior]

Hmm Gotta disagree breh.

T Law definitely showed flashes all throughout 2022. And he had some moments in 23 despite being sacked a ton.

His 2022 was better than any one of young Brees' Chargers seasons.

I think he could possibly benefit from a scenery change because I do believe he may have it in him to be mad nice.

Ive watched every game of his career.

Hes consistently mediocre in every element of his game, the flashes we saw in 22/23 are still there, but they are still flashes. Why? Because he has not grown as a player whatsoever, hes the same player hes been since he stepped into the league. Part of it can be blamed on ciaching turnover, but everybody else is right, truly generational players stand above all that.

This is his show and prove year, hell def be out of here if he puts together another mid year, but I think this hope of him turning into anything other than an average QB somewhere else would be dead at that point.

 

[Megadeus]

Ive watched every game of his career.

Hes consistently mediocre in every element of his game, the flashes we saw in 22/23 are still there, but they are still flashes. Why? Because he has not grown as a player whatsoever, hes the same player hes been since he stepped into the league. Part of it can be blamed on ciaching turnover, but everybody else is right, truly generational players stand above all that.

This is his show and prove year, hell def be out of here if he puts together another mid year, but I think this hope of him turning into anything other than an average QB somewhere else would be dead at that point.

I thought Brees was mediocre when he was in San Diego. Nothing to me indicated that he was destined to be this phenomenon. I'm not saying I'm just saying.

As a matter of fact you being a Jags fan might skew your assessment of his potential. Watching every game of a QBs career with vested interest in his teams success will always give you a lower opinion, I say that from experience. Just my worthless opinion

 

[ReggieFlare]

Him and Travis gonna prove the haters wrong this year

 

[Dzali OG]

Ive watched every game of his career.

Hes consistently mediocre in every element of his game, the flashes we saw in 22/23 are still there, but they are still flashes. Why? Because he has not grown as a player whatsoever, hes the same player hes been since he stepped into the league. Part of it can be blamed on ciaching turnover, but everybody else is right, truly generational players stand above all that.

This is his show and prove year, hell def be out of here if he puts together another mid year, but I think this hope of him turning into anything other than an average QB somewhere else would be dead at that point.

Main problem is we have to ignore the generational thing. That was created by the media for that 5 year span.

Now just look at him as a player. Did he show he was generational in college or was he just good, with a good team, and had the physical stature?

Jaguar WRs led the league in drops like every season of his career until last year! Ok it's no excuse he had no good WRs because he had a RB who gave him 1500 yards a smear and teams had to gameplay him....ooops...he didn't. Well that's OK, he had a top ten...he'll a top 20 OL that gave him enough time that he should've made something happen. No wait, his OL was always bottom of the league and got him hurt.

Well he had the best, most innovative coaches, so he must be trash right. Well Urban got fired and admitted he never should've taken the job.

Doug Pederson was a SB winning coach right, and got him to round two of the playoffs his 1st year. He pulled off a 3 touchdown comeback in the playoffs and looked good. Wtf happened? Dougie stopped coaching and gave the play call duties to press Taylor who just so happens to not get a long with TL. The same OC who got Dougie fired in Philly.

He hasn't shown me he's great either but just being fair, he's had the worst support ever. Even Bryce Young at least has a OL.

 

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Another end zone interception

 

[GilSho]

Another end zone interception

Dude is mid as hell and would be hounded out of the League if he was black. Just look at how people talk about Kyler who's the epitome of a league average QB who he is worse than.

 

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Dude is mid as hell and would be hounded out of the League if he was black. Just look at how people talk about Kyler who's the epitome of a league average QB who he is worse than.

Dudes on here wanna cape.
If he was generational he would be elevating any coach he’s had over the years.

 

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[904]

I've largely ignored this thread because I know most of y'all just box score watch

I refuse to believe y'all all in here watching jags games

While Coen was right, if Trevor puts it lower into the body it's likely caught, that play from what I remember was a drop by Dyami Brown that hit him in the hands.. There's no hidden messaging here

Trevor made 3 mistakes in this game

The first pick caused by pressure
That weird throw at the end of the first half
The throw to Travis Hunter that was almost picked(maybe just good coverage, couldn't tell what happened)

BTJ alligator armed twice, once in the end zone and the other caused the second pick
Dyami dropped a td that would've won the game
BTJ dropped the 4th down attempt