TRILL: The Hov obbssesion

[obarth]

Can you nikkas honestly go a damn day without a Jay-Z thread?

nikkas can't even talk about other people without it being in relation to Jay-Z. Then act like dude isn't that big a deal.

 

[45123]

Cube has been relevant since his inception. While he may not have the exact same business ventures he has a very successful film company a TV show and still remains active in music


He sold millions of records and like jay-z had a label at one point. Roc a fella records doesn't exist anymore.

yeah but jay > cube as both a businessman and a rapper. what's your point here?

 

[10:31]

1. Puffy didn't start off as a "Solo Artist". And he had almost the same level of notoriety (ha) that Hov has now when he was fukking Jennifer Lopez. Before that he was the head of Bad Boy records to the public, and before that he was "Biggie's sidekick". His time as an ARTIST has come and gone, and he has NEVER been as accomplished an artist as Jay Z has.

Also, he's never been friends with The President.

2. I doubt Cube's worth 500 Million, has been rapping since NWA, is not fukking a J. Lo or Beyonce in the public eye (hell, Mack 10 was fukking T-Boz, at least), never been friends with the President.

3. Birdman kissed Wayne and stole Kimora Lee Simmons from Russell.


I do understand what youre saying, but you're lumping all of these cats together because they're successful rap moguls.

They're all successful and getting money, sure.

But none of them started in the public eye as an average rapper who took almost a year to go gold during the modern golden era to become so PUBLICLY/SOCIALLY successful as Jay-Z.

HA! you get it.

which brings me to my point

"But none of them started in the public eye as an average rapper who took almost a year to go gold during the modern golden era to become so PUBLICLY/SOCIALLY successful as Jay-Z. "

Dwayne Carter is. Hes been rapping since the late 90s. Was considered to be an average rapper by many including the owners of the label. Not only is he argubaly just as popular without Beyonce on his arm he has managed to help break more successful artists than Jay-z. Cashmoney also outsold/outlasted Roc A Fella Records.

 

[JahBuhLun]

This brings me back to my original post. You're just as obsessed with Jay z as the people that you're referring to. This isn't a thread about guys like Puff, J Prince, and Master P. It's a thread about Jay Z. If you wanted to give shine to those guys for not getting the credit that they deserve then you wouldn't have mentioned Jay Z.

Good point, but even if the t/s started talking about Puffy or J Prince without mentioning Jay-Z, someone would have undoubtedly brought up Jay- Z to use as a comparison.

 

[Mr. Negative]

HA! you get it.

which brings me to my point

"But none of them started in the public eye as an average rapper who took almost a year to go gold during the modern golden era to become so PUBLICLY/SOCIALLY successful as Jay-Z. "

Dwayne Carter is. Hes been rapping since the late 90s. Was considered to be an average rapper by many including the owners of the label. Not only is he argubaly just as popular without Beyonce on his arm he has managed to help break more successful artists than Jay-z. Cashmoney also outsold/outlasted Roc A Fella Records.

Wait so your whole point of this was to ask how come Jay Z is held in higher esteem than lil wayne?

 

[No1]

HA! you get it.

which brings me to my point

"But none of them started in the public eye as an average rapper who took almost a year to go gold during the modern golden era to become so PUBLICLY/SOCIALLY successful as Jay-Z. "

Dwayne Carter is. Hes been rapping since the late 90s. Was considered to be an average rapper by many including the owners of the label. Not only is argubaly just as popular without Beyonce on his arm he has managed to help break more successful artists than Jay-z. Cashmoney also outsold/outlasted Roc A Fella Records.

My dude, you're all right, but you can't seriously believe that you've been making good points in here. Your entire thread is basically, "other guys have money too so why do we only keep bringing up Jay."

All the while you've never pointed out a single artist with his status as a rapper first, who branched out into other avenues, and is as financially successful and culturally relevant. You just named Wayne who said and I quote, "I can't box with that card," in regards to talking money and Jay-Z. Then you named a bunch of guys that sans Diddy (who everyone has explained to you already is not a rapper first, but he still gets plenty of mention anyway) who don't have Jay's money or acclaim. It's all just false equivalence. Further, guys like 50 Cent's business acumen is always brought up. I mean the article with Robert Greene on the front page of this site right now also has questions in regards to 50 Cent.

The MAIN reason Jay is brought up is simple, he gets the most hate on this site probably (along with Drake, etc.) so his status is brought up in defense and in attacks on him. It's really that simple. Cats are jocking him either in hate or defense.

 

[Tom Foolery]

It started when he began saying he was the best rapper all-time.

"Self-praise is no recommendation."

 

[10:31]

Wait so your whole point of this was to ask how come Jay Z is held in higher esteem as lil wayne?

No, the fascination/obsession isn't warranted for just Jay-Z. Jay-Z ddidn't orginiate any of what people salivate over the mouth for him for.


Nobody cared when Ice Cube started a family

Usher invested in the Cavs

Puffy signed a pop group

Master P was featured in Forbes sevral times

The fact the cashmoney started the same way Roc-A-Fella did and manage to be more successful


This stuff has been done before and is currently being done by a select few that don't get the same amount of attention

My dude, you're all right, but you can't seriously believe that you've been making good points in here. Your entire thread is basically, "other guys have money too so why do we only keep bringing up Jay."

All the while you've never pointed out a single artist with his status as a rapper first, who branched out into other avenues, and is as financially successful and culturally relevant. You just named Wayne who said and I quote, "I can't box with that card," in regards to talking money and Jay-Z. Then you named a bunch of guys that sans Diddy (who everyone has explained to you already is not a rapper first, but he still gets plenty of mention anyway) who don't have Jay's money or acclaim. It's all just false equivalence. Further, guys like 50 Cent's business acumen is always brought up. I mean the article with Robert Greene on the front page of this site right now also has questions in regards to 50 Cent.

The MAIN reason Jay is brought up is simple, he gets the most hate on this site probably (along with Drake, etc.) so his status is brought up in defense and in attacks on him. It's really that simple. Cats are jocking him either in hate or defense.

For the record, I never mentioned "money"

I went over different accolades that are similar between he and other artists/business man. But who has more money is corny

 

[No1]

No, the fascination/obsession isn't warranted for just Jay-Z. Jay-Z ddidn't orginiate any of what people salivate over the mouth for him for.


Nobody cared when Ice Cube started a family

Usher invested in the Cavs

Puffy signed a pop group

Master P was featured in Forbes sevral times

The fact the cashmoney started the same way Roc-A-Fella did and manage to be more successful


This stuff has been done before and is currently being done by a select few that don't get the same amount of attention



For the record, I never mentioned "money"

I went over different accolades that are similar between he and other artists/business man. But who has more money is corny

Well, I'll take that point and then my last couple of sentences still apply. You post in the Booth more than me, you know how it goes.

 

[Gravity]

Good point, but even if the t/s started talking about Puffy or J Prince without mentioning Jay-Z, someone would have undoubtedly brought up Jay- Z to use as a comparison.

 

[Still Benefited]

Everybody you named doesn't have active stans,or never had stans at all....you gon just act like when 50 wuz relevent and had active stans they didn't stay talkin about his business venture?shyt his fans is still constantly doin that shyt.....and plus Jay and 50 as rappers bring attention to themselves as business men,Lil Wayne TI doesn't so they not seen as moguls....there's no such thing as Puffy,Birdman stans...Jay and 50 do actually have stans and bcuz they bring attention to they business moves its just sumthing for they stans to shyt on nikkas with...in 50's case cuz they have nuthing else...in Jays case its just done cuz it hurts nikkas feelings when u bring up the half a billy,when u bring up Beyonce,when u bring up the fact Blue Ivys toybox is bigger and more extravegant than the casket nikkas favorite rappers will be buried in....for Jay fans its simply bein proud and advantage jigga....whenever an argument meets a stalemate,might as well bring up the fortune,when nikkas get in denial and get hard headed might as well bring up the business moves...niggs get disrespectful,might as well bring his woman up

 

[JahBuhLun]

I've read too many threads on here to know that it would be the case. If someone started a thread about Drake's songs compared to other artists that came out at the same time, someone would still find a way to slither Jay-Z into the conversation.

 

[JayYoung314]

im not finna read through this entire thread, but its quite simple: Jay-Z has been better at remaining relevant than every artist you mentioned. If any of those other artists were still hot from a relevant standpoint, they would get just as much mention. At one point, Diddy was more popular than Jay-Z from a media, mogul point. So was Master P. But like others have said, there time has came and went, meanwhile Jay-Z can still sell out an arena at the drop of a dime, and also ventured out more successfully into other ventures like basketball teams and etc.... Your thread is basically asking why Jay-Z is more popular, when that should be an obvious answer.

 

[10:31]

im not finna read through this entire thread, but its quite simple: Jay-Z has been better at remaining relevant than every artist you mentioned. If any of those other artists were still hot from a relevant standpoint, they would get just as much mention. At one point, Diddy was more popular than Jay-Z from a media, mogul point. So was Master P. But like others have said, there time has came and went, meanwhile Jay-Z can still sell out an arena at the drop of a dime, and also ventured out more successfully into other ventures like basketball teams and etc.... Your thread is basically asking why Jay-Z is more popular, when that should be an obvious answer.

Jay isn't more popular than puffy. He sold more records but they are equally just as popular and puff has been around longer.

I think jay z slightly edges ice cube in popularity but they have similar achievement a businessmen outside of music.

He is not more popular than lil Wayne. Wayne has been around just as long, sold millions of records. Is still currently a member of one of the last hip hop dynasties from the 90s and is recon fixed from Obama down to nikkas in the barber shop as that nikka in hip hop.

 

[JayYoung314]

Jay isn't more popular than puffy. He sold more records but they are equally just as popular and puff has been around longer.

I think jay z slightly edges ice cube in popularity but they have similar achievement a businessmen outside of music.

He is not more popular than lil Wayne. Wayne has been around just as long, sold millions of records. Is still currently a member of one of the last hip hop dynasties from the 90s and is recon fixed from Obama down to nikkas in the barber shop as that nikka in hip hop.

bro, u r making this whole thread sound stupid as fukk. first u make a thread asking why jay-z is more popular than all the artists u mentioned, than u sit here and say he isnt as popular. i dont argue with fools from a distance, because from a distance people cant tell who is who. find someone else to troll, youre creating a loophole for every answer people give you and im not going to play with you. good day sir. and for the record, wayne didnt become mainstream until lollipop, meanwhile jay-z was at lollipop status the minute hard knock life dropped almost 10 years earlier, stop trying 2 recreate the past please.