TRILL: The Hov obbssesion

[JahBuhLun]

People don't run out and buy roca anything anymore breh


By the way, salute everyone in the read discussing and disagreeing gracefully without the insults


But yeah, roca.. Fella, wear.. The brand is non existent. Magic Johnson is ten times the businessman mj is


I think the Hov obsession is exaggerated an almost unessacery is others given their just due

I see what you're saying, but I was speaking more so to Jay-Z being a brand himself, Take roc a wear out of the equation, because you're correct in saying that no one buys that stuff. He has still used his ability to latch on to other artists and trends in order to stay relevant.

Puff, Cube, Dre, have all been more successful on the business side of things outside of music.

And you make an excellent point when comparing Magic and MJ, Because Magic has been successful basically in all his ventures outside of basketball, Mj's success has been tied mainly to him being on the best basketball players ever. But he shows that he has no idea what he's doing trying to run a team. Like the guy said earlier, it's basically PR.

 

[10:31]

So you know a business man who has never failed?

come on breh... don't tell me thats what you took from son's post. He is stating that Jay has done masterful job in masking his flaws.

You can't really argue that breh. All of his artists don't make music anymore. Young Chirs ( had so much potential )

He gave a subsational amount of credit to his PR team. Thats not a bad thing, but when you start breaking down the details you realize that his resume has strenghts and weaknesses.

It would be cool if someone had the balls to ask him about these during an interview. This country has become so politcally correct all we want to do is focus on "good" things.

I would love for someone to ask him what were some of his struggles as President of Def Jam?

What is his vision for RocNation?

With the success of Wale, Meek Mill (Roc Nation managment/MMG artists), and Kendrick Lamar how do you keep J.Cole focused on making great music?

 

[just my thoughts]

Your dead on with the PR team. Remember when people really thought he was retiring?

Seriously though, I would love to see him invest more time in breaking J.Cole. There is an opportunity there and it seems like it's going to be squandered.

If P still has it in him, Fat Trel and Alley Boy will see some mainstream success this year.

Puffy can't seem to market French Montana and had been struggling to find a go to artist for years


I'm really surprised at how much of a foundation cashmoney has built. I never thought there run would rival and exceed what seem to be stronger comp in: Ruff Ryder's, Roc-a-fella, No Limit, Rap-a-lot and even Death Row

Exactly. He just wanted attention. "lets see what happens when I no longer exist" The rap game went on without a hitch and crowned lil wayne the next best thing. So it is what it is.

I think Puffs problem is he doesnt realize or want to admit that he doesnt have the time he once had to get behind his artist or scout them. I dont see what he saw in French or Red Cafe.

 

[DontEemTry]

come on breh... don't tell me thats what you took from son's post. He is stating that Jay has done masterful job in masking his flaws.

Failing business ventures aren't "flaws", that's business. I bet you don't know that dudes like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates have far more failures than successes overall.

Jay too. Course he not gon brag about all his failures. Where they do that at?

 

[JayYoung314]

Signed and successfully marketed nicki and drake to the public

That shyt had to be tough. Each are going on ther their third album. Young Money is a very successful sub label to cashmoney

Hov can't break artists

i asked u to name 3 things and u name this bullshyt. By the way jay-z is the one that broke rihanna and ne-yo in case u forgot, u might want to keep trying.

 

[10:31]

i asked u to name 3 things and u name this bullshyt. By the way jay-z is the one that broke rihanna and ne-yo in case u forgot, u might want to keep trying.

He didn't sign them fam gay ass LA Reid did

Shakir also brought young Jeezy and Ricky Ross to def jam!

 

[just my thoughts]

Failing business ventures aren't "flaws", that's business. I bet you don't know that dudes like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates have far more failures than successes overall.

Jay too. Course he not gon brag about all his failures. Where they do that at?

Take this individual for example. Look how he picks and chooses. You asked him a question yet he chose to answer what wasn't asked. I wrote what I wrote and he chose to pick what he wanted. Think of Jay in that way. Look at what I show you/say. Not the whole picture and people choose to do so.

 

[DontEemTry]

Take this individual for example. Look how he picks and chooses. You asked him a question yet he chose to answer what wasn't asked. I wrote what I wrote and he chose to pick what he wanted. Think of Jay in that way. Look at what I show you/say. Not the whole picture and people choose to do so.

 

[10:31]

 

[JayYoung314]

He didn't sign them fam gay ass LA Reid did

Shakir also brought young Jeezy and Ricky Ross to def jam!

well im sayin wats up i asked u to name 3 things lil wayne has done from a business stand point that jay hasnt u still didnt answer the question yet u want to know why hes more popular

 

[10:31]

To be fair there were several successful projects that were released while he was president of def jam... However, the acts that he focused on "freeway" "beans" failed while Kanye continued his success.

Joe Budden, Ghostface, LL Cool J, DMX, Redman all have a different story to tell as their careers all began to spiral downward



DMX could've gone another 2 strong years after 2004. Joe budden also had a strong following during that time but his project was completely mismanaged


Rick Ross and Young Jeezy also took off under his term.

 

[just my thoughts]

well im sayin wats up i asked u to name 3 things lil wayne has done from a business stand point that jay hasnt u still didnt answer the question yet u want to know why hes more popular

I can only name 2.

Signed a successful female artist.
Signed a platinum artist.

 

[10:31]

well im sayin wats up i asked u to name 3 things lil wayne has done from a business stand point that jay hasnt u still didnt answer the question yet u want to know why hes more popular

He runs YMCB that is home to two of the biggest artists in hip hop. Tyga has also shown flashes and ha the potential to drop at least two more albums.


He's successfully scouted and broke two hip hop stars that could go onto rival his popularity and exceed his record sales. Jay still hasn't done that

 

[Gravity]

Its called PR my friend. Jay has mastered it. Think about it. You have people actually believing he is friends withe president. People bring up he is married to Beyonce. Yet they ignore like you said he is unable to break or scout a successful artist. Fully own or atleast be a half owner of anything ( to my knowledge). Just think about how he angled the nets thing, idiots actually he owned the team only because he said so.

At this point Jay has been around to long to discredit. I agree Puff has done more but most want to relate to the false street element Jay has. Its life.

What's the point of trying to discredit him though? This thread has a jealous female kind of vibe and so does your post. You and the thread starter sound mad that Jay Z is winning. Of course Jay Z is great at pr and marketing himself, but why is that a bad thing? He's playing the game why not that? You don't have to tear Jay Z down or try to discredit him just to give somebody else props. Again, this isn't a thread to give hiphop entrepreneurs besides Jay props, it's a thread to discredit Jay Z. For what though?

 

[10:31]

My thread wasn't created to discredit jay. He is given props for doing great things. Why can't focus on his full body of work? Is that a problem?