TRILL: The Hov obbssesion

[prophecypro]

PR wise he's postioned himself well.

 

[just my thoughts]

Nope. I don't know you, I have no reason to want you to be a bytch. I didn't make you say "Rocnation is nothing to be proud of". You said that dumb shyt on your own. Comments like that are fueled by jealousy and hate.

So explain how it is something to be proud of? Explain the jealousy and hate that you seem to be picking up. As you already said nothing I said has been false so far.

 

[10:31]

Yo.... why are some of you acting like jay has been given credit for some of his achievements in this thread ?? The hell happened in here last night?

Thread is about the people fantastizing and over glorifying things that have been done by other artists and entrepreneurs.

 

[big bun]

yeah but jay > cube as a rapper...

 

[Gravity]

So explain how it is something to be proud of? Explain the jealousy and hate that you seem to be picking up. As you already said nothing I said has been false so far.

No my man the onus is on you to explain and qualify yourself. You're the one who decided to jump out and say things like "Rocnation is nothing to be proud.....his deal with Livenation is a step back" Explain how you're qualified to make those kind of statements? How much experience do you have running an entertainment company? How much experience do you have in the music business period? I'm just looking for a real explanation for why you said that Roc Nation is nothing to be proud of. His deal with Live Nation is a step back? Explain how. I'm assuming that you've seen his contract with Roc Nation and are aware of all the specifics since you feel comfortable judging the deal in a negative way. If you can answer these questions and support your claims intelligently then I'll take what I said about you seemingly being a hater back. Otherwise you'll have to wear that.

Its like this...

Jay-z's brand is the example of people who look at the surface without looking at logic...

His brand is built upon deceit,half-truths,"commercialism" and lack of principles.

This is another example of what I'm talking about. Now this poster will deny being a hater too. A lot of passive aggressive behavior here. Haters love to ride around on high horses. It's funny watching them work.

 

[10:31]

wow

Wow....

 

[big bun]

Camel has the machine behind him. No denying that whether you have your tinfoil hat on or not.

 

[10:31]

No my man the onus is on you to explain and qualify yourself. You're the one who decided to jump out and say things like "Rocnation is nothing to be proud.....his deal with Livenation is a step back" Explain how you're qualified to make those kind of statements? How much experience do you have running an entertainment company? How much experience do you have in the music business period? I'm just looking for a real explanation for why you said that Roc Nation is nothing to be proud of. His deal with Live Nation is a step back? Explain how. I'm assuming that you've seen his contract with Roc Nation and are aware of all the specifics since you feel comfortable judging the deal in a negative way. If you can answer these questions and support your claims intelligently then I'll take what I said about you seemingly being a hater back. Otherwise you'll have to wear that.

This is another example of what I'm talking about. Now this poster will deny being a hater too. A lot of passive aggressive behavior here. Haters love to ride around on high horses. It's funny watching them work.

I would like to weigh in, rocnation isn't as successful as roc-a-fella records was in its first 5 years as a label. Rocnation seems like more of management/touring venture than it does a record label. While I may not be qualified to make an outlandish claim like Rocnation is nothing to be proud of, I think its fair to compare some of the successes and failures to Roc-a-fella

 

[45123]

Are you seriously denying that Jay is a better rapper with better discography, skills, longevity, and popularity than ice cube? All dikkriding aside.

 

[10:31]

Are you seriously denying that Jay is a better rapper with better discography, skills, longevity, and popularity than ice cube? All dikkriding aside.

This isn't the purpose of my thread..

But are you fukking serous?


NWA has had more impact than anything done by any rapper the last 20 years..


How old are you my dude?


"Im coming straight out of my Compton"

 

[Gravity]

Are you seriously denying that Jay is a better rapper with better discography, skills, longevity, and popularity than ice cube? All dikkriding aside.

There's definitely nothing outrageous about thinking that Cube is better than Jay Z. Obviously Jay Z has been more popular, but as far as quality of discography and greatness as an mc it's debatable.

I would like to weigh in, rocnation isn't as successful as roc-a-fella records was in its first 5 years as a label. Rocnation seems like more of management/touring venture than it does a record label. While I may not be qualified to make an outlandish claim like Rocnation is nothing to be proud of, I think its fair to compare some of the successes and failures to Roc-a-fella

My point was that dude was hating and that's the only reason that he said that Roc Nation is nothing to be proud of. Roc nation vs Rocafella and which company enjoyed more success in its first 5 years is irrelevant to what I'm talking about and the topic in general. I agree with you, Roc Nation is more of a management/touring/publishing company than a record label which is why I don't see the relevance of comparing it to Rocafella. The game is completely different now than it was 15-20 years ago.

 

[360dagod]

No my man the onus is on you to explain and qualify yourself. You're the one who decided to jump out and say things like "Rocnation is nothing to be proud.....his deal with Livenation is a step back" Explain how you're qualified to make those kind of statements? How much experience do you have running an entertainment company? How much experience do you have in the music business period? I'm just looking for a real explanation for why you said that Roc Nation is nothing to be proud of. His deal with Live Nation is a step back? Explain how. I'm assuming that you've seen his contract with Roc Nation and are aware of all the specifics since you feel comfortable judging the deal in a negative way. If you can answer these questions and support your claims intelligently then I'll take what I said about you seemingly being a hater back. Otherwise you'll have to wear that.

This is another example of what I'm talking about. Now this poster will deny being a hater too. A lot of passive aggressive behavior here. Haters love to ride around on high horses. It's funny watching them work.

nikka im a certified Jay-z hater...

He is a hard worker and his business skills in terms of staying relevant are very good...But he is a cut throat nikka....

He has no principles and lil morals..

The russian gave him crumbs and its considered a power move...

D.Dash would have made sure nikkas got at least 30%....

D.Dash got blackballed because he wanted nikkas to actually HAVE CONTROL and get RESPECTED in the business world....

If im making money already to support me for a lifetime,Id rather have my principles than to be a glorified house nikka to a russian and jew...

But thats me though..

I gave him his credit...But thats not being said though..

I mentioned that Nas at one point wanted to be him,but that was left out as well....

When it comes to quite a few rappers,personality is a huge reason why I wouldnt even fukk with them..

 

[just my thoughts]

There's definitely nothing outrageous about thinking that Cube is better than Jay Z. Obviously Jay Z has been more popular, but as far as quality of discography and greatness as an mc it's debatable.My point was that dude was hating and that's the only reason that he said that Roc Nation is nothing to be proud of. Roc nation vs Rocafella and which company enjoyed more success in its first 5 years is irrelevant to what I'm talking about and the topic in general. I agree with you, Roc Nation is more of a management/touring/publishing company than a record label which is why I don't see the relevance of comparing it to Rocafella. The game is completely different now than it was 15-20 years ago.

I was not hating, learn to speak for yourself. I already explained how the live nation deal was a step backwards. And I stand by my comments as far as Roc Nation being what it is. Now if you honestly feel I am going to validate myself to you, you have a long wait.

Trade magazines publish information to the general public if you choose to consume the information you do if not you can continue to call people haters and bytch with the hopes it actually changes the reality of the situation

 

[Gravity]

nikka im a certified Jay-z hater...
.

See there you go. I respect the honesty, I just wish more haters were more honest. Nothing worse than trying to have a discussion with someone who has an obvious agenda but denies it.

 

[10:31]

There's definitely nothing outrageous about thinking that Cube is better than Jay Z. Obviously Jay Z has been more popular, but as far as quality of discography and greatness as an mc it's debatable.My point was that dude was hating and that's the only reason that he said that Roc Nation is nothing to be proud of. Roc nation vs Rocafella and which company enjoyed more success in its first 5 years is irrelevant to what I'm talking about and the topic in general. I agree with you, Roc Nation is more of a management/touring/publishing company than a record label which is why I don't see the relevance of comparing it to Rocafella. The game is completely different now than it was 15-20 years ago.

*daps*

It's going to be interesting to see how things play the next couple of years. J.cole is deff dropping a sophomore album and I expect Jay Electronica to start releasing more music.

Rocnation management seems like money. Wale & Meek Mill's careers are thriving without really moving units. Every time I hear their names mentioned next to Drake or Kanye I laugh.