True democracy is communism/socialism

[Camammal]

The same people who say democracy is the ultimate freedom because we can elect our leaders think socialism & communism is the problem. But if democracy is about collective power, shouldn’t that include ownership too? What’s collective power without collective ownership?

We elect our leaders and then what? They go back to serving private interests and private equity, all that “democracy” goes out the window when elections are over.

 

[cheek100]

America isn’t a democracy bud. If u want that go to Europe.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

 

[Ghostface Trillah]

Americans being brainwashed to hate socialism while actively using socialism is one of the greatest ironies in the world

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

America is a socialist country.. we only enjoy the benefits of it with a good leader at the top..

 

[Camammal]

America is a socialist country.. we only enjoy the benefits of it with a good leader at the top..

Not really… maybe in short burst in American history but socialism leaves little to no room for capitalism. Socialism also ultimately means equality.

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

Not really… maybe in short burst in American history but socialism leaves little to no room for capitalism. Socialism also ultimately means equality.

Is there an example of this? From any decade?

 

[Camammal]

Is there an example of this? From any decade?

It hasn’t been done successfully but there are societies that have tried like the Tang Dynasty China before the An Lushan rebellion…which is considered by several prominent historians as the best place for the average human to ever have lived before the sanitation and medical advances of the 20th century.

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

It hasn’t been done successfully

America is a socialist country.. we only enjoy the benefits of it with a good leader at the top..

 

[Camammal]

@Sir Richard Spirit not sure I’m following but America is definitely not on the spectrum is all I’m saying. There are way better examples of socialist principles and societies that have gotten closer than America (not that American has ever striven to be socialist for non-wealthy individuals)

 

[Ahmen]

The same people who say democracy is the ultimate freedom because we can elect our leaders think socialism & communism is the problem. But if democracy is about collective power, shouldn’t that include ownership too? What’s collective power without collective ownership?

We elect our leaders and then what? They go back to serving private interests and private equity, all that “democracy” goes out the window when elections are over.

Elect better leaders. Those than are not beholden to private interests but rather respect representation of their constituency.

 

[Camammal]

Elect better leaders. Those than are not beholden to private interests but rather respect representation of their constituency.

I don’t disagree but America is too deep in corruption down to its foundation.

What do you do when your foundation is rotted? You destroy the entire thing and build it with better materials. A lot people don’t wanna hear that tho

 

[Ahmen]

I don’t disagree but America is too deep in corruption down to its foundation.

What do you when your foundation is rotted? You destroy the entire thing and build it with better materials. A lot people don’t wanna hear that tho

Agreed, but you must begin somewhere.
We don't live in a democracy (thank God!), we elect representation and even then, the minority has a certain level of built in protection.